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I'm not saying we don't need to do more. Just the oppiste. What I was saying is the A card canopy skills is a joke. The student are learning so much that I think most don't retain most of what they learn. As it was before the only other thing is accuracy jumps to move forward. Everyone mentions articals and adv canopy in the sims. Well most don't read it cause they don't have too. Now they do. Now all these canopy course that have been out there you need to take to further your self. Thums up for that. Restricting wing loading is not the problem. Like you said people are running into each other. That has nothing to do with wing loading. That has to do with people don't know how to fly their Canopy's. Let's. Start teaching them is all I am saying. This is what I think USPA is trying to do. I think we are arguing the same point it's I just think it needs to be done differently is all again sorry about typos using my phone and it's hard to see. Edit to add Bottom line is swooping and wingloading is not the problem here. People knowing how to fly there canopy is. adding a wing loading chart might slow people down but it will not help the situation. Teaching them to understand the wing over their head and how to use it will. Just my opinion. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Whatever lol I was in a gas station filling my car with gass while typing this actually. Listen people wii always die in this sport. It's a fact of life. We are all adults and if we educate them they will be smarter adults. I really don't mind a chart if education goes with it. Geez one of the fatalities was a guy with 150 jumps with a camera on his head and jumping with a tandem. We have restrictions on that and a lot they did for that guy. I just think if we took the time to teach people why this or that is more of a risk they would be less likely to do it and if they do do it they would have a better understanding what they are gettting involved in. I have said enough on this madder. Time to go skydive. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

If you are saying we have it now with just canopy education on the a card you are nuts. I'm sorry but what we are teaching for canopy to get your A is a joke. It's bare minimum to survive. Putting in the requirements for your B. is a step in the right direction. I sorry I just think a chart telling someone they can jump this when you have that is just a step in the wrong direction. Again how is your chart helping the 45% of poeople that died last year. I can say we both agree something needs to be done. Good job USPA for starting to do just that. Sorry for any typos I'm driving Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

+1 it's what i was trying to say who gets to decide all these exceptions and why bother if there is exceptions. I'm all about teaching more canopy. I just think if I can educate a student then they will make choices that are smart. On the ground and in the air. With their wingloading and their surroundings. I don't have a problem at all with canopy drills for C+D as well. I do have proven with restriction in any form. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

2011 report http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/2011/North_America/index.shtml 5 out of the 11 canopy incidents were with jumpers over 2000 jumps about 45% how is your chart helping them? One was by a jump breaking more then one brs. and one was a student. That's all the low turns. The canopy collisions I don't know what to say about. If people are aware of their surroundings this would not happen. People need to know who's on the plane and what they are doing. Give enough separation on exit, track the right direction. Check air space and after opening giving canopy separation . If you know a guy behind you is jumping a smaller canopy then why bother to spiral down. Thats up to the AFFI at the DZ's to teach their students this stuff. Do people fall threw the cracks. Yes and it is a good thing that USPA is stepping up. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Bill Im with you 100% This is why I think its great USPA put this canopy card in for the B. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Ok so a jumper weighting 100lbs would be under a sub 100 canopy at 100 jumps. Is that safe? I think not.You cant go off a chart with something like this. Where is the education in a chart? USPA already considers anything under a 150 a HP canopy. I can get hurt just as bad on a 129 CF as I can under my 90 velo. Ill take it a step further. I can still kill someone else under a 190 saber as well. If I dont know how to fly said canopy. It really dont matter what size is over my head. To get your A uspa has a standard. Its not the end. In my opinion its bear minimum. The way things were before, If you wanted further education you had to seek it out. Now you must get it if you want to progress. I know people that got their A and never went further. Have 1000s of jumps and still have their A. I just think if you teach them how to fly a canopy. Have them understand how it works. It will much better in the long run. Putting restriction on anything. limiting them to what they can do and when they can do it is the wrong approach. Teaching them to understand it is the better choice. We can go round robin on this matter all day. With a chart there will be exceptions. You said it yourself. So who gets to decide on them? So on and so on. If everyone has to go threw a course from this point forward you will see the benefits. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

ok ill bite Dave. Under loading a canopy is just as dangerous. This is one of the reasons we limit the winds that students can jump in. So what wing loading do you feel is safe for everyone? To put a restriction on this does not work for me. Again we are all adults here. So I wouldnt be ok driving a bus around in the sky. Some like driving a sports car. If you teach them to drive they can then make the discussion themselves on what to drive. If I want to learn to drive a bus. I take a commercial driving course. If I want to learn how to drive a race car I go to a racing school to learn. So what is the problem here. teach them how to drive and these numbers we see will go down. People are going to die plain and simple. They will be people dieing every year in our sport for this reason or that reason. The numbers are down from past years http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/ Putting restriction on what people can jump will hold people and our sport back. What do I know tho. I am still very new to this sport. I just dont think restriction is the way to go here. Eduction is. Edited to add: I would be ok if they put a check list like this before moving down in canopy size http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47 Its what I did before moving down and seem to work for me. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Thumbs up to USPA for taking action on this problem. I'm glad we are moving in the right direction. Once I did a tandem all bets were off. My jump numbers climbed very fast. I received my A and I was looking for direction. Back then if you wanted to continue to learn you had look for it and that was not that long ago. Having this card is a plus. Its not a end all. I don't see the problem. As far as a wing loading card. I look at it this way.We are all grown ups here I hope. If someone told me your not good enough to jump this or that Id would be the first one to go and prove them wrong. So I really dont think that card would be such a good Direction. My first TI told me this. We are in a extreme sport with extreme personalities. All different walks of life. People learn faster. Have more abilities. Its up to that person to know their limits. Yes giving direction is good but we are not kids here. Last but not least separate landing areas. Works great if people know how to fly their canopy's. Just like one landing area works great the same way. Teach people to fly their canopy's and there will be less collisions. I know of a DZ that has separate landing area's and it has not helped. I know another DZ with one landing and does not have a problem. I think education is the best direction. Just don't see how it could hurt. Most canopy courses have been out there for years. My AFFI's told me to go take one of them. I did just that. I have taken three canopy courses. Everyone used advanced sec. of the sims. So now USPA is just making them a requirement. What is the problem? Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

http://www.youtube.com/user/NYJerry13?feature=mhum but its just of three amateurs in the event Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

So here we go. John Sherman and I are in the middle of putting together Northeast Canopy piloting league. This league will be a district of http://swoopleague.com/ I am very excited about this. Working out schedule for two events at Crosskeys and two at The Ranch for the 2013 season. There will be one event at The Ranch this year the weekend after labor day. This event will be ran by Leland Bendel. As I get more info on the 2013 schedule I will pass it on. Exciting times for swoopers in the northeast. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

THIS IS WHY It has nothing to do with the board or the FAA. You are barking up the wrong tree. Jerry: A class 3 medical was Strong Enterprises and Relative Workshop's doing. It increases the quality of T/I's and increases tandem safety. Bottom line. Tandem is for the student/passenger, not the instructor. Make it as safe as possible for them. If you'd like to talk it over more give me an email and we can go from there. tandem@strongparachutes.com Right from the horses mouth Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

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Cant cause I already answered yes :) I do tell anyone going for it to and NO tho so they dont go threw what I did. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

I took a medication 25 years ago prescribe by a doctor. I took it once and had a allergic reaction too it and never took it again. On medical it asks if you are allergic to any meds i answered yes and put med down iv done that for 25 years with all my doctors. i had to jump threw 8 months of hoops to get my medical. It was a nightmare. im going to monitored for 8 years and then they wont bother me anymore. I think it is BS. I understand the manufacturers protecting themselves and all. I was underage and had know idea what the doc was giving me. does that mean i shouldnt have a medical cause of a med that i took from a doc when i was 17? I dont think so. Well the FAA does and gave me a hard time every step of the way. JUST SAYING :) Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

LOL changing a number is not going to change what happens. So we are going to put alt police at every dz to make sure you pull higher.(kidding) I think this is another mistake of uspa regulating instead of educating. Its almost as bad as the US government i said almost My normal pull is at 3500 so change it all you want. I just dont think its going to change anything. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Im sorry but you are not fully correct. Its the manufacture of the equipment that requires you that have class 3 or equivalent edited to add this: here is a message i got from ted in feb of 2011 Jerry: A class 3 medical was Strong Enterprises and Relative Workshop's doing. It increases the quality of T/I's and increases tandem safety. Bottom line. Tandem is for the student/passenger, not the instructor. Make it as safe as possible for them. If you'd like to talk it over more give me an email and we can go from there. tandem@strongparachutes.com Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Yea simple if you lie threw your teeth. If you answer anything but no on any question there will be hoops to jump threw trust me. The best part is the FAA gives a rats ass that you do or dont have a class three too do tandems. Its the manufacturers that want it. That information came straight from the late Ted Strong. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

I shoot mostly tandem video. I put 3500. Fun jumps i go to 3k or lower is a zoo dive. For the most part I like the 3500 range so I have a little time to work things out if there is a problem. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

I'm am new at this competing and all. With that said I think the distance should be changed to the way flcpa ran there event this past month. I always thought swooping was dive your canopy at the ground plain it out and see how far you can go. With the rule that they are trying to change where's the ground? It's 20 or 30 feet below them. I think it's not swooping its canopy piloting yes but not swooping I know I'll prob get slammed for saying that. Speed I'm not sure they should change. I like that as a competor I have to do something more then go in a straight line. Jan comp was my first official comp all I had to do is pick a point and hit gates I used same point for all six jumps is that skill I don't think so at this level. Again just what I think. Having to do different courses would show skill and the ones that are overall skilled with their canopy would truly rise to the top. So I like the rule change that you have to stay below the gates on distance ( true swooping in my opinion) I don't like that they took the carving course out for speed. As far as records are concerned. Why is distance the only one being talked about. As it stands speed record will be retired too. all in all there will be new records to be broken so I dont see that its a good argument to keep rules the way they were. We can still go super far with the new rules and push the envelope in all categories. Again I am just a newbie and have no stakes in old rules or new rules just my 2 cents on the matter. Whatever the rules are ill be at the next comp giving it my all. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Lucky you! You can go and enjoy Freestyle all the time! But should we really give up this kind of stuff? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCgGSdnoU0 Only because a handful of trees might be standing inbetween yourself flying down the course and a new worldrecord? Love it! Will keep on going! HaHa Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

well comp one is over using new rules and not one injury during event day. Total of 47 competitors and I think 10 were at their first comp. Is it safer? I dont know never competed before this one. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

I just got home from the comp at Zhills. It was one of the best experiences of my skydiving career. Props to Albert for running a great comp. All the pros were very helpful and willy to help in every way possible. Even giving help while comp was in progress. I was very impressed and cant wait till the next one. Thanks to everyone for all there help. I recommend if you are looking to compete this league is a good place to start. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

under window too the right there is a url tab. click on that before and after link Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

Im confused. I thought comp velo and standard velo trim was the same. Line sets only differ in break lines by 6in on comp. the difference in canopies is in the stabilizer. The comp has a longer/wider(how ever you want to word it) one and a Different slider (RDS) So if im correct I would think it wouldn't make a difference what line set you put on your standard velo. I just got a new line set from PD for a standard velo and request 6 in longer break lines . That's what I got. Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!