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The H/C's name is usually on the original data card. CFR 65.129 e) Pack, maintain, or alter a parachute in any manner that deviates from procedures approved by the Administrator or the manufacturer of the parachute; or The manufacturer's instructions usually state that you should log the work and place the data card somewhere. So,: 1. The manufacturer's Name is on the card 2.The FAA reqires you to follow the manufacturer's instructions. . 3.The manufacturer's manuals usually state that you should log the work on the data card. 4. ...and call the canopy and H/C manufacturer and ask them directly what you should be writing on the card. That should be interesting! MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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That answer is "...until thoughly dry". That is the official time limit as per one of the Official FAA Test Questions. Again the time limit went from 48 hours, to 24 hours, to 8 hours, and now "until thoughly dry". So whatever airing needs to be done in order to check for "until thoughly dry" is in your court. Sorry, I do not have anything better than that. I am positive this will come up at the PIA meeting in Reno, so stay tuned! MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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In Parachute talk it means hanging in the air, hence the drying towers with hanging racks.... if you really want to get technical! You can say that. It would be just like a lot of people say "inspected" when all that they do is note the color of the parachute before packing. But there still alot of people that do very good inspections also. In the early years all parachutes were made of natural fibers. The minimum airing time was not lowered or changed until about the late 1980's IIRC. That's 40 plus years after nylon parachutes came about. I don't quite hear the war drums... Negative Ghost Rider! I hate paperwork! That is why I try to educate BEFORE they go take a test somewhere. Failures during testing take twice the paperwork.. BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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T, There is no one sentence that states you have to write AIR. It simply states you must record work performed. With that said, if you have been writting I & R, you must believe that it is required or you simply would not do it. The actions of Inspecting a parachute are required. Most people write this on the data card. The actions of packing or repacking are required. Most people write this on the data card. The actions of airing a parachute are required. A lot of people of late are not writing this on the data card. It is either from lack of knowledge or that they are simply lazy. So tell me why you think I and R needs to be on the data card and not the airing requirement? I can tell you this, in a practical exam, failure to list all work performed , results in a failure here in my region. I have that in my test plan. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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.....on the data card MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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The notations should be at LEAST Air, Inspect, and repack......not just I&R. Both the parachute record and the parachute rigger should contain the same info! MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Lou, I will point out a couple more. Just trying to get my day started... Starting from the front of the manual.... Section 1-2 Testing. (2) each of the form 8610-2's are required, not just one as is stated in the PRH. Facilities and Tools, section 1-6 A 40 foot table is REQUIRED by the regs when packing a round parachute.(actually required period as per the CFRs) The PRH states that any smooth surface will do. It references the manufacturer requirements being just a smooth surface. One has to remember that the manufacturer requirements cannot trump or minimize the Administrator's requirements. BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Paul, There is no requirement for logging givens, only capital actions or work performed. Not personal opinion, just fact as per the regulations. Another point is that I am not writting a book that will be a basis for training and endorsed by the FAA. The major complaint is that this book should have had a major peer review before it's release. It never did....... BS. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Well yes, to some extent, but will point out a few things to you. 1. The only thing the FAA is interested in is the canopy. Just look at what is requires to be documented (recorded) in part 65. 2.The H/C is never mentioned in part 65 as having to be recorded. Minimum standards are what I am interesetd in. The minimums required are to Air, Inspect, and repack a canopy prior to use. These are the absolute minimums for recording also. On the other end are "givens", Givens are things that are neccesary for the job, like changing the closing loop, etc. which should be done on each pack job. ( actually a test question on the FAA written BTW). I personally do not log givens, but you can if you so desire. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Rob, Show me in writing were it is not required! It is kind of a moot point after I have pointed out it is still required and stated in the regulations though. I am going out on a limb and guess that you simply write I&R on the data card..right? You have got to be kidding! Mold will deteriorate nylon, that is undisputed and is also some of the basic knowledge required for the written exam. Exactly why the rule is still in effect. I do not consider point out the regulations as "barracks lawyering". BTW,philosophical teachings (being more pragmatic) are best left to the Professors in some of the colleges abroad, not when teaching or pointing out fact based regulations. Are you sure you didn't help Sandy right the book Cheers, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Dude, you probaby right (enter being sarcastic here), but the regs do not state that you have to do all of those things. But it does state that you have to Air it....., and inspect it..., and pack or repack it. For now, let's just stick to the basics of what the regs do tell you to do. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Lou, I just saw your post as I was heading out, but felt I should at least give you one example. page 1-7...record keeping Look at the example in figure 1-8. You will note that on the example "inspect and repack" was noted as the work performed. In CFR 65.129 (c), it states that a rigger cannot pack a parachute that has not been thoughly dried and aired. There is no longer a set minimum time (used to be 48 hours, then 24 hours, and then 8hours minimum), but still has to be done AND ALSO RECORDED as set forth in CFR 65.131(4)...the kind and extent of work performed. So the bottom line here is if you have just "inspect and repack" on the data card, you did not comply with 65.131(4) In reality you have to write Air, Inspect, Repack to be correctly recorded as per the CFRs..... This actually is one that I just happened to notice when I opened the book to BTW........ MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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They (AFS-630) is looking for someone to write a replacement manual. Mr. Johnny Malone is the POC AFAIK. I will post some ifo regarding "Issues" with the PRH later...right now I'm headed out the door to go skydiving. Later, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Not mine! This manual has several issues and a contract has been inititated for it's immediate replacement. The "issues" range from personal opinion of pratices to lack of knowledge of the CFRs(FARs) in a few areas. ...but it sure has some pretty pictures in it! MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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*** whats the price range on a 138 (w/table) ? *** Here is a 238 for #350.00. http://cgi.ebay.com/PFAFF-Zig-Zag-238-6x6-Reverse-/230568306763?pt=BI_Sewing_Machines&hash=item35aef1284b Cheers. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Here is an older thread about the 20U type of machines...http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3306166;search_string=singer%2020U;#3306166 For the money, I would look for something more like Beatnik stated; a Pfaff 138, Pfaff 238, or a Singer 143W. The 143W with a 135x17 needle installed in it will do everything that you will ever come across in the rigging loft with ease. It also would probably be the cheapest way to go as you can find them for around $250 - $350. BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Andy, I literally just walked in the house from driving back from up there and found this. There were two instructors that were at your course that are no longer a part of the scene there for exactly the reasons mentioned. While you are entiltled to your opinion, whatever it maybe, I find it very disturbing. The disturbing part is that you never mentioned that you missed basically two days out of 7 from the course. After that, we bent over backwards to facilitate your needs.We succcessfully caught you up to the rest of the class which was not easy to say the least. (which we were under no obligation to do)The reason that you missed classes was not our fault. Feel free to contact Dave or myself directly if you care to expand on the subject. BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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T, That was actually more of a generic reply about most Senior riggers that get their rating, then sit back and complain about what they should be able to do. But once that same rigger puts forth just a little more effort and gains the Master rigger rating (it is Not that hard) seems to change his or her views of the regs. I know you are supposed to be working on yours, so how close are you to the O&P? Yes, I agree. I think the requirements are too lax and simplistic. But I have to comply with the Regs. My personal opinion is to go back to certificated lofts. Loft log books, and only one rating. We would then have less auguments about about who, what, and when. But then again, if everyone got a Master's rating,it would be exactly the same. BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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First, I really do not write letters to "legal" , I usually just pick up you phone, both when someone from Washington calls me and I call them. Second, I am always about safety and education, ask anyone that knows me. Excuse me!? The purposed AC would be more lax, not more strict. The outcry is from both the liberals and the people trying to cover their ass. Who in their right mind is going to list publicly, things that will surely drag them into a court trial? Well, since I seem to fit all of those descriptions, let"s clear the air by stating it was not me. I bet your outlook would be different if you actually had your Master's rating. Ask Terry Urban about that. He was a Senior rigger for like maybe 25? years. Way to complicated! We can not even agree who gets to do what now! BS, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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My point is that we have already concluded that: 1. It is not legal for someone to open a reserve and change the batteries if yhat person is not the one that originally packed the parachute. That came from Michael Chase, assistant Chief Legal Council, FAA Washington 2. Earlier PIA documents stated the opposite. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Paul, It is about as clear as mud. In reality the H/C manufacturer is supposed to inform us of the requirements, not the AAD manufacturer as they are not the TSO holder. Since the Units are not TSO'd, the only legal way to include them is by way of the H/C manufacturers including the units as "required or approved materials". They do that by writing them into their TSO paperwork. Once they do that, the H/C manufacturer takes ownership of instructions for use of their TSO equipment. So in reality, the H/C manufacturers are supposed to have any maintenance requirements in their manuals. But we seem to be not doing it in that fashion. Cheers, MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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From my earlier post: To expand, Senior riggers can do reserve repacks, patches that do not include seams, velcro replacement, BOC replacement,assemble both reserve and main parachutes and their componets,change AAD batteries, install AADs, Make closing loops. Pretty much everything else is Master Rigger's duties. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Sorry, I left that out earlier. Patches that encompass a seam are considered Major repairs by the FAA's definition. See below from 8900.1; O. Major Repair. A repair that fits one or more of the following: 1)Might appreciably affect airworthiness by changing weight, balance, structural strength, performance, powerplant operation, or flight characteristics if improperly done; or 2)Is not done according to accepted practices or cannot be done by elementary operations. There are some other documents to support that also. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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No, just making the statement of how the regs have changed to allow it. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com
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Not the part that states that OTHER riggers can open and close someone else's pack job to change batteries. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com