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Again, manufacturer and USPA's fault for not policing its policy. Enforce the rule or don't have to rules at all in the first place. Should be one standard everywhere. It is either you can hook it or not. UPT and USPA knew about tandem hooks at Hawaii for years and they looked away. That's the main cause of the problem. It became the norm. No one is going to police themselves to a safety. Manufacturer needs to step up and draw the line. If the manufacturer knows that people aren't following their rules, just like it says on the manual they should take it back. But they will never do that since that will put them out of money right? USPA will never enforce since if the dz simply opts out of membership they don't get jack shit. Very simple, hook it or don't hook it. If you are going to let someone do a 90, than open it up to 270. Since it is just another 90 followed by big 180. I see no big deal about doing 270s. Hell if one wants to do 450, do so. It is only big 360 to bring you back to initiation point for the last 90. As we are arguing over dorkzone.com, they are still hooking em in as we argue. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

no I am not a USPA member. So they can't do shit. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Not even gonna argue anymore. Clearly you haven't taught enough FJC's Bernie Sanders for President 2016

You made it sound like it was student's fault. Who was below and doesn't have ANY experience. 100% of the blame goes to the guy who has 1000's of jumps and above. 0 goes to the guy who has less than 10 and below. If you can not agree with that, I never want to jump with you ever at same load. You can blame it on Ti, not being able to see due to 180. That's really easy solution if one does 270's. and if the 180's were the problem and UPT does not want people to do 270's than they should all come straight in, as they did for year at the same exact location back in 1980's using way shittier tandem parachute then what they use now. I'd say it was manufacturer's fault for letting these type of behavior go on for years, since the mid 90's. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

It is never a student's fault, especially if the student is lower than the tandem instructor. One has thousands of jumps, and the other is complete fuck tard who might chop because the slider was flapping. Who has right of way? How is it student's fault? He is lower and has less than 10 jumps. The guy is fucking scared and excited out of his mind. The student barely knows how to flair and where he is going to end up landing. He is not going to look up and say "I'm going to avoid that canopy up and ahead of me." The top guy has responsibility to clear what's beneath. It is scary that some has attitude that it was guy below's fault. It is always person above's fault, when it comes to canopy collision. Doesn't matter which way the bottom guy is traveling. They can go 45 degree for fucks sake, you let them do what they do and come down and bitch at them, not smash into them because they were going wrong direction. Biggest problem was doing 180, creating blind spots, again I'm for doing 270's when, and if UPT allows big hook turns. Again, if UPT has strong stance against tandem hook turn why have they allowed this prevalent landing policy over the years just because they are sitting in a island thousands of miles away from Florida. It is part UPT's fault for not taking a stance. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

More power to ya. With the attitude like that you'll surely beat cancer with ease, and never see that fucker again. I know this legendary camera flyer who did over 600-700 jumps going thru chemo and radiation. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

I feel that as long as UPT doesn't enforce the rule hard, everyone will still end up hooking it at certain places. I mean places like Guam. How are UPT going to possibly enforce any rules? Or USPA for that matter, some dz aren't even a USPA member. You guys can say no to tandem hooks all day long, but I'll bet by first load today they are still going to do their 180's and 270's. Just like tandem headdown and atmo happens every single day at some part of this world, but again, how are UPT going to do anything about it? Let's leave the USPA out of the whole equation, only thing they can do is to suspend your rating, if the accident happens at a USPA dropzone. So my several question is, 1. How do we prevent them? 2. What is the UPT's stance on the subject? and other tandem manufacturer. 3. UPT surely knew about hook turns being done at certain places, why aren't they doing anything about it? 4. If the manufacturer has being looking the other way and pretending that it wasn't happening, isn't it part UPT's fault? 5. So that AFF student may be capable of suing UPT as well? Thousands of small dz around the world has that same attitude. "I'm doing my job and leave me alone". Only reason why this surfaced is because someone decided to put it on Youtube, just to bash other competitor dropzone. Just like he did for years, ratting out that other dropzone for going thru clouds, thus getting their pilot's licenses suspended. At the end he is just shooting himself in the foot. Now that USPA and UPT knows about prevalent practices of tandem hook turns at Hawaii, and almost a triple fatality directly caused by it they surely can not pretend nothing is happening, and they will have to take some action. Only one who is going to suffer is all the other Ti's at both location that will be subjected to restricted turns or not even a turn at all. Very interesting how this will play out on both of the dz's landing policy. People who visit north shore often gets shocked at what they see. Tandem 180 and 270's happening all day, and do anyone know what altitude they hook em at? Less than 200 ft with those tiny Japanese person. No one with right mind thinks about doing 180's under 200 ft, and these guys do it routinely. However there is couple guys out there who only comes in straight in, and they do fine. Not a stand up landing but they all go home at the end of the day, with their ass being sore. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

No people hook it so that they have softer landing. Simple as that. If you are bored under a tandem bus than you move on to Tandem Crossbraced FX250's. Go to a dz that allows big hook turns and stay there for a year or two. You'll understand. All these guys that are hooking 330 are very conservative compare to these guys that are doing big turns with TFX 250 http://vimeo.com/61493166 Like I said, he should've done 270's. Instead of a 180. If you are going to allow 90 degree hook turns than why not go bigger? They are safer, they start higher, better field of vision, more room to bail out. So the rule has to come to the conclusion, by per manufacturer. Manufacturer has to ultimate rule. What's allowed? Can we do 90? If they allow 90 degree turn than what's wrong with 270? It is just another 90 degree turn followed by big 180. So what is the rule of the UPT? The rule is not to do them in the first place. So the rule has to be changed? Since the canopy design advanced, and how people fly changed? Or do we all stick with no hook turn advice? Is it an advice or is that a written rule? If the rule is blatantly being broken all the time, and if UPT knows about it what can they really do? Besides losing its customers. Since DZ will start buying different tandem system,if UPT starts to revoke people's rating for doing hook turns. What power does UPT have overseas? There is no USPA cop, or UPT cop to monitor all of these violations. How are any of these agency going to enforce the rule? and punish ones that are necessary? Bernie Sanders for President 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWW4-1mmgb8 Example of 270 being done correctly. Just scroll over to appropriate mark, around 5:20. I know what I'm talking about and I sounded like a retard. So that is why I erased my comments. You can erase all of yours as well if you wish to. You have freedom to do so. After all it is dorkzone.com And as far as the Dropzone's equipment goes, sometime you don't have the luxury of jumping at a bigger twin prop dz. Start jumping around more. You'll see some scatchy ass place. Where the drogues are questionable, main canopy is questionable, landing practices are questionable, drogue pouch is so stretched out to the point where drogue just flops out when you shake the rig sideways. Risers that hasn't been replaced since the time the rig was built, many more that I can think of. But you are a mule. You simply will be replaced by someone else or you move away and look for different dropzone. That's how it works. When the boss lady says, "You go now". You go now. That's how some small dz works. Positive side of small dz is that there are not that many rules. You do your job and bring the passengers to the ground safely and no one questions Ti's behavior. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

When the guy shows up sober, but his hand is shacking pretty bad due to not having enough alcohol in his system. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Moderator should still lock it, so that idiots like myself doesn't waste precious INTERWEB space. Is it Interweb or Internet? Bernie Sanders for President 2016

The place where there is a heavy wind, most of the time. But sometime you need to deal with no wind for a while, and you are stuck with what you have. Some of those USMC kids aren't that all that light either. Like Hawaii, Guam, Fiji. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

This is a muiltiple thread. Moderator should lock it. Wasted my fucking 1 min of my life watching the youtube again, and writing this shit. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Gun rights are god given natural rights to an American. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

But can you really stand up your 240 lbs with surge technique? I agree that if you are flying Sigma canopy and start hooking them, now you are just doing it for fun. They do have plenty of power to stop even surging it in. However when you are jumping Icarus 330 or 300, you need to hook it or otherwise you'll end up plowing the fuck out of the grass, with no wind, heavy passenger scenario. Some canopies just suck and so are some dropzone that has questionable gears, and we need to improvise to make us not get butt hurt(no pun intended). Fuck, when I was flying Precision 330. They felt like there were no flair at the bottom. Ti should take some pride of their job and start standing em up. I've heard this dude from Austraila that worked at Lodi stood up almost 100% of them surging it in. But they do have arsenal of tandems canopies varying sizes and drogues. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Ya, we all saw that video, I still don't see the add risk part besides he did a wrong turn. I feel that 180 creates blindspot, and not much altitude to bail and adjust the turn. He should've done a 270. I feel like TI with less than 5000 jumps should not even be involved in this forum. and who is that asshole having an orgasm watching someone getting hurt? On that youtube link. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

But I used to wear white jump suit. How else am I going to keep them clean? That's a serious question. I used to pride myself for keeping them white for so long. Longest I've gone was 12-13 days. That's almost three weeks, all stand up landings. Doesn't that count as perfect landing? While others are sliding in? I much rather to be stood up by a ti vs getting my ass all dirty. When you hook em they flair much better, you can't deny that. And how is that an added risk? Also there is no way you can stand 240lbs student up using Icarus 330 without any wind, while coming straight in. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

So you are pro-tandem hooks? I am. I stood up way more landings when I hooked vs coming in straight in. I bitched out at one AFF student once for being in my way when I was landing my tandem canopy one time. I remember the other senior AFF/Cameraman with over 20000 jumps,(That's 20000 with having less than 200 tandems). Coming over to me and giving me a speech. "You have thousands of jumps and the other guy has less than 100 jumps. He didn't cut you off, you cut yourself off from that landing." Makes sense. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Fuck, no half of these idiots, including myself need to get a life and stay away from the dorkzone.com, and I'll bet they are real pussies when it comes to real life violence. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Not if the rig has a BOC pouch so loose that you tuck in the drogue completely inside. I love loose BOC pouch on a tandem rig. I always pick the rig with the ginormous opening on the BOC. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Have you seen these guys at gymnastics? It's in their blood dude. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

He actually came out high. The turn wasn't low enough, I'd say. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

That looks like Phoenix Fly BASE specific suit, aka Tracking Suit. They are designed to put leg strap underneath the pants so that it becomes more aerodynamical. My question was, Is that an AN-2? The infamous aircraft that can glide for miles without an engine, and it takes roughly about 35 minutes to climb to 12000 ft. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Does Unicorn count as a god? I believe in Unicorns. That's right, UnicornS. There are many of them out there in space. Ever continuing clashing of horns to create space particles to create life. Bernie Sanders for President 2016

You meant to type reserve? instead of main? People buy main that are tiny so that they can have fun. If you can not understand that part, than why are people jumping out of airplane in the first place? They are stuck with tiny reserve since it is hard to find manufacturer that makes container that will fit 210 reserve with 79 Velo. So it doesn't make sense for them to have an AAD, some decided to rather go in vs getting mangled and end up in hospital for a while. Bernie Sanders for President 2016