Lucky...

For the Supreme Court to turn its back is the kicker, especially when we understand that 7 of the 9 justices were appointed by Reagan, Bush, Bush....

1 thing: Signed the legislation that prohibits gun manufacturers from being sued if some whackjob kills someone. Kinda small compared to the mess he's made of this country.....

Oh yea. Bush Sr breathed a sign of relief shortly into this debacle we call the JW Bush presidency and Hoover is now able to rest in peace.... Would you say Hoover was the worst in history before this mess? I think so, but I'm not a political historian.

Speedometer error

Right, to prove flight the state has to establish the driver knew the cop was pursuing. Ducked, turned, who knows. BTW, it will probably be a jury trial.

Can I have a cheseburger?

Here are more numbers. National debt: 8 years of Clinton - rose 1.5 Trillion 5 years of Bush - has risen 3T and climbing. He will likely double the national debt (11T) by the time he leaves office which will essentially drive the dollar even with the Canadian dollar - now 1.14 = 1.00 US.

Oops! What now?????

Wrong question, at least the one I was speaking too. Who do you trust more with US security? Got that one? And look, I am not denying that Bush's numbers are down. That is not too hard to understand when one realizes what a constant media drum beat would do to anyone. However, when you look who and where these questions were asked you would expect this kind of result. Anyway, dig into the data, it can shed a different light on just the plain numbers............ It will be fun to watch to see what happens to the numbers this week once Bush starts to reply to the negative BS...... Like the media drum that trashed Clinton during his impeachment? He still left office with a 50% approval rating. Furthermore, look at Fox's #'s - are they a bunch of liberals now???? Your argument, you dig into it and show us. Do you really think it will matter? Brag then, until then, Bush and the Republicans look very bad and may lose the House and/or Senate in Nov.

Just because we are figuring it out doesn't mean it will get better. With the fiscal GOP and the moral fundy righties voting the same way, it could be 8 more years of yuk. The Repubs will and are divorcing themselves from Bush and friends, so come November and 2 years from then it could be more of the same as these Repubs will claim they are the anti-Bush reformers - Partyline Bushies who hate what Bush has done will fall all over themselves voting for the new Repubs in thinking that things will be greatly different.

We all know Clinton liked pie

But you know in all of his infinite wisdom that he'll run

Yes, they were! haven't you heard the phrase "Jeffersonian Liberal"? OK, so that's one; does he represent all foundng fathers?

I didn't call him purposefully contentious, just that digressions on analogies are nit-picky. read a bit Again, Show where I was addressing the person and not the issue. The statement that it is the same to compare kids in school -to- young people in compulsary service is inane.

irony score 9.9 - coming from you calling mnealtx 'inane' Kallend and I swap friendly jabs all the time. He's a big boy. And if you work with technical types, you see the nit pickiness all the time - it's what nerds find fun in everyday conversation. I didn't call him inane, just that the concept was inane. Read a bit.

If you have trouble with a very abstract concept and taking the presenter's position from it for rational discussion, I wouldn't call the other person the one with issues of 'inanity' - to use your words. As with all abstract comparisons, they're not for the sake of anything useful, just parody; that was my point.

True, but the fact that the national debt did this: CLinton 8 years = 1.5 Trillion increase Bush 5 years = 3 Trillion increase Things are measured in degrees usually.

Nuts - the statement here is just as true - "Please don't make the argument that conservatives are lock-stepped. A conservative can be pro-choice and be considered a conservative, but a liberal can't be pro-gun and still be considered a REAL liberal." Why are you people so blind to the fact that the two parties are identical in practice? Both have just enough flexibility from their nutjob extreme positions to collect almost exactly 50% of the populace. It works that way by natural design. It HAS to, even with our relatively small population. Anything else would be an extreme deviation from human nature. Yet the lemmings continue to think that THEIR party is the party of truth and light and honesty. It's like third graders with a clubhouse. Why is this neccesary? 50%? Many time there is a landslide of populous vote and/or electoral vote, so where is this consistent? The issue I raised was that there is so much flexibility within the liberals, yet you can't go to a Republican fucntion and start talking about pro-abortion, anti-guns, pro-social programs, etc... You would be lynched if you did that at a neo-caon rally, whereas the dems allow for variations within their party.

Nope, that's not the analogy he's making. Do you think that being rigid and purposefully unwilling to see another's side, just for the sake of giving someone a hard time, is a good characteristic of an educator? ( it's a great characteristic for a debator, and adds needed conflict and opportunities for quips) It's normal, technical types hate analogies. Heck, they even hate it when someone restates a concept using another set of wording. Taking the next step to finding value in a comparison is way out of the comfort zone. So now the argument has changed from the issue of mandatory service to that of a person's character? If Kallend is the worst guy ever, the issue still is the Constitutionality of mandatory militay service. Care to come back to it?

Can't defend your point? don't bother, he has a very difficult times with analogies. it's kind of like a badminton and a dart Analogy? Kids are to mandatory schooling, as Young people are to mandatory military service. That's in the most abstract sense. So abstract that it borders on inanity.

Children of 16 and 17 could be executed up to 6 months ago, so adult jeopardy while having no rights as kids don't - agreed.

Government run, mandatory schooling. Compare/contrast. Mandatory schooling is not involuntary servitude and is not unconstitutional. How is it not? The kids are being forced to do something (in this case, their "work" is going to school) against their will at the threat of punishment, and they're certainly not getting paid for it... how does that not fit the definition? Ever hear of home schooling? Perhaps this concept that schooling is tantamount to the draft explains your use of abstract argument.

How is serving your own country giving up freedoms? If I was forced to serve another country, I would consider it giving up freedoms. Freedom isn't free, it requires people to participate. That is along the lines of flag-burning debates. It's chicken /egg all the way. In order to be free, we must serve in the military.... are we free if we have a compulsary obligation? Etc...., this is a circular argument if we propose mandatory anything and throw in a teaspoon of this concept of freedom.

Do understand that this is a very tough time for neo-cons. Sure, they're excited to have control of the entire country, but since it's scorching into the ground at Mach20, they have no one to blame and are relegated to defending Bush for attempting to give the ports to the UAE. Neo-cons have nothing to be proud of and nothing to hang their hat on that supports Bush, so they are relegated to saying..... G.D. Liberals.... Feel sorry for them.

Yep, and don't forget, if Kerry had this as part of his platform, the Libs would have supported it. Please don't make the argument that libs are lock-stepped. A leberal can be pro-gun and be considered liberal, but a conservative can't be pro-choice and be considered a neo-con. There is a lot of alttitude within the leberal community, unlike the neo-cons.