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We pay less tax than most other countries. Uh, BTW, universal care would be HEAVILY DWARFED by your president's military. Since the war we've spent about 700B per year counting normal spending and war appropriations. Uni care would be what, 1/2 that? Try again...... 700B....enough is too much.

This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. It's funny that most of the extremely self-centered individuals posting here were also beneficiaries of a taxpayer subsidized education. I used the taxpayer subsidized education, I didn't abuse it. As a result of that education, I've put more dollars into the coffers than I took, so it was a good investment on the part of the government and tax-paying public. A woman using hundreds of taxpayer dollars to avoid using a dozen or so of her own is abusing the communal trust. Do you see a difference? Blues, Dave It just happened to work that way, it could have been that you contributed nothing. You are a dried in the wool socialist.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>A non-self-centered person would turn away that free education opportunity. More accurate is, "It's funny that those who chastise the self-centered want others to give them more." No, a non-self-centered person would want all of society cared for equally.

You are right. And there is one of the problems. I think the job of the federal governemnt is to focus on a society and look at the big picture. However, we live in a very individualistic culture, and we do not care as a mass about the "health" of the society, but are rather concerned about "me, me, me." We need to look at solutions that find a good medium between how individuals benefit, and the long term benefit to the society. And if all fails, we need to simply get together and have one big cook out (I'll do the pork shuolders) Not to parrot the dickheads, of course not the sweethearts here, but, let's say other dickheads advocating you to move, perhaps you should. I want to and I'm a born American. It won't change, let the selfish scum work itself out here and either implode or fix itself. I'd love to watch from afar as it does either. Then I could post that I did move . I will someday, hopefully in the next 5 years.

This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. It's funny that most of the extremely self-centered individuals posting here were also beneficiaries of a taxpayer subsidized education. And may, who would never admit it, have collected welfare, unemployment, college grants, etc.

This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. Wecome to America, the land of selfish cocksuckers. Now you don;t wonder why we incarcerate at record levels, and have one of teh highest murder/crime rates.

Have you ever been to the DMV? I have, and I've seen how well the government takes care of the governed. I have zero interest in seeing my healthcare decline to that level of service. I've worked hard all my life, and have earned my good job, decent insurance, and some level of freedom in making my healthcare decisions. Why do you think the quality of my healthcare should decline? Why do you think I should be responsible for paying for the healthcare of people who haven't worked as hard as I have? I'm not opposed to the idea of basic healthcare being available and affordable to everyone, provided it has substantial controls in place to prevent abuse, but I'm quite opposed to any sort of mandatory system, or being required to pay for stupid shit. A gal I know who works in the ER routinely sees women come in for pregnancy tests. On the nights she's working triage, she points out the door at the Rite-Aid across the street and suggests they pick up a pregnancy test there for 10 or 15 bucks instead of burning through several hundred in the ER. The answer is always some variant of the same thing..."Yeah, but the state won't pay for that and they will pay for this." I don't want to support that kind of selfish fucktardedness. Blues, Dave That's a wild assumption. People here have already stated that the US system is worse in ways, equal at best. Again, I agree, fuck my fllow American, they can die, all that matters is my tax rate.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I wouldn't. I've been taught how to take care of myself and if I was destitute; I've got family who would step in. So for those who are missing limbs and/or have no family, well, fuck em according to you. It's nice that you have a support system, but what about Satan's hethans who don't? I agree, to the trash with em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What the hell does me being a Christian have to do with this topic? Don't assume what I believe in regard to darwinism. It has to do that you love the socioeconomic aspect of Darwin, just not the actual aspect as it applies to the theory of the formation of man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's a suggestion for you: Give up skydiving, sell your gear, disconnect your internet and perhaps you'll have enough money to buy your own insurance and not have to bitch about the 'system' not taking care of you. Yes, and then I could be a good little prolateriat and make lots of money for the fascist corps you love so much.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Since you're talking about the Constitution, maybe you can show me just WHERE it explicitly states that the government is responsible for "feeding the people, educating the people and providing healthcare for the people" And where does it state we need to put up traffic lights, build roads and a myriad of other svs? In fact it doesn't make provisions for a standing army, does it?

I'm not directing this at LR, as I wrote, "as a rule." As for hard-working, who cares? The Enron guys were probably hard working, scheming how to rip retirements from the workers they employ. Hard work doesn't mean a positive all thetime, it's the type of work you do that matters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The parasite is the one who does NOT prepare himself in life, does NOT have a job that pays the bills, and sits around whining about the ills of the "system" because those that DO fend for themselves don't want to pay everybody else's way too. So I guess disabled people w/o insurance are parasites. FUCKING BRILLIANT. BTW, I realize that little brilliance was directed at me, I am a vet, have a degree and work 50-60 hrs a week, so I'm sorry to impeach your brilliance.

And if you didn't have it due to temp being out of work, taking care of parents or kids, etc., then you would be destitute and perhaps homeless. Yea, and you believe in Christianity yet advocate Darwinism - you're confused. I wouldn't consider myself angry, I was before I understood the system, now I'm just disgusted and want to leave as soon as practicable. I believe that many will.

I smell either a divorcee' who should've gotten himself a better attorney, someone who resented being held responsible for their actions, or someone who lets talk radio hosts do his thinking for him. Your senses are all fucked up. I'm the plaintiff - I know, hard to believe that I could have been wronged, I'm a poor person, must be frivalous. No, some scumbags robbed me, been over 5 years now and still litigating. I sense a typical fascist that would rather see homeless dying in the streets than taxes raised $20 a year to get them off the streets. Swell guy you are.......

Move. I would, but I realize it pisses you off fo rme to be here, so I will stay until you figure that out . Seriously, I'm tying up loose ends and then considering it. But I'll keep my US citizenship just to piss you off.

Readily admitted - several times in this thread alone. Admission is the first step to recovery. You'll have to excuse me, I jut had a depo with a stupid POS kid lawyer who didn't know what a file was in regard to a tool that shapes wood or metal. I explained and he still didn't get it, he thought it was a place to put paperwork. But he's the lawyer...and he's gonna get paid no matter the degree of your blue-collar contempt/class envy. I don't envy lawyers, they're under a lot of pressure and eventually I think most have bouts of conscious for the lies they perpetuate. SOmethng happens and they have a paradigm shift.

Pay attention to what richards wrote, instead of making up your own version of Canadian laws. Come on, prof. A little flippancy never hurt anyone. By the way, if you have been hurt by flippancy, please contact me for a consultation. Free consultation? No. Money down. Not likely. I already had one consultation like that this week; the old digital prostate exam. Don't gloat, if you're lucky enough to live to my age, your turn will surely come. Since he's a lawyer they can get to his prostate through just about anywhere on his body. What's the matter--they cut your: -Food stamps -Medicaid -Rent subsidy -Public transit voucher -Tax credit for procreating or some other benefit you don't deserve? I work 50-60 hrs/wk, I don't get handouts.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you're an American, let me say once for emphasis: I owe you nothing. You are not entitled to a goddamn thing from me. You want medical care, goddamn pay for it yourself. Pardon me when I say, please get cancer, get dropped or denied by your carrier and then become liberal. I would love that. I say that with all sincerity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop looking for any more handouts. The government picks my pocket enough. Be glad for what you have, and get your hand out of my pocket--it's already in there deep enough. I don't get handouts, you know nothing of me. I haven't received any gov assistance for years and then it was unemp ins, I'm not in ur state. Please, hurry and get cancer so I can watch you turn liberal.....have a nice day

Boy, you need to let go of that anger or it's going to kill you. I don't think that's covered under any insurance policy. In through the nose, out through the mouth. JUst an observation as we watch our countrymen die for profit. Care for your fellow countrymen is much greater is socialized nations.

well, to be most accurate, he's the solution and the problem. The alternative is probably less attractive. What's the alternative? Most lawyers are theproblem, a few actually help. Layers are, as a rule, parasites. It's teh system that makes them that way, just as most cops are lying scum, so don't hate the player, hate the game. If the system wasn't so corrupt and punished officers and officers of the court, they would shaoe up, as it is there is motivation to be scum.

Readily admitted - several times in this thread alone. Admission is the first step to recovery. You'll have to excuse me, I jut had a depo with a stupid POS kid lawyer who didn't know what a file was in regard to a tool that shapes wood or metal. I explained and he still didn't get it, he thought it was a place to put paperwork.

Pay attention to what richards wrote, instead of making up your own version of Canadian laws. Come on, prof. A little flippancy never hurt anyone. By the way, if you have been hurt by flippancy, please contact me for a consultation. Free consultation? No. Money down. Not likely. I already had one consultation like that this week; the old digital prostate exam. Don't gloat, if you're lucky enough to live to my age, your turn will surely come. Since he's a lawyer they can get to his prostate through just about anywhere on his body.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wait. So are you telling me insurance would pay for pre0existing conditions? That is called "moral hazard" in insurance law. No, I don't think they usually do. I don't know the finite rule tho, health ins is one of those foreign things to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It'd be like you getting a couple of million in life insurance on me. You can't because of the moral hazard associated with it. You have no insurable interest in me, and what's to stop you from killing me? Good point . Hey, you're an atorney, it could have been 1 of many people to do it

So you would have us all waxing eloquent about how wonderful it is not to have a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What does that have to do with privs? Saying teh rich provide us everything? Whatever........

So your fine with what only works for you? Next time you or your family need medical care do you plan to not use your insurance? If you do use the insurance, then you are part of the problem then, according to your words. He's a lawyer, he's part of the system that is the problem.

Sorry brother, this country is a sad POS. Do like lawrocket and become personally responsible and a closet republican, then that will take care of everything. This country will have so much emmigration (peple leaving) as soon as the deb becomes an issue. I'm trying to get a head start before the rush. What a fuckin waste of good real estate with a Nazi system running it. Hmmmmm, Magic Johnson seems to be OK, I guess only the rich deserve to live. Then there's Mickey Mantle and Olonzo Mourning getting to front of the line for organs while others die waiting 100x longer. But we don;t have a problem executing them like there's no tomorrow.

So first weget raped in the billing, then killed in the OR? Fuck this trashy country, what a joke.