Lucky...

That's funny right there. Yea, I fell off my chair laughing.

There, I changd my profile..... that should help.

This web-site is private property. The First Amendment doesn't apply. That's what Bush says about everything too.....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>First of all whoever started this thread is a fucking idiot. You did, did you forget already? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who the hell are you? Can anyone here vouch for you? Vouch for me? BAhahahahahahahaha.... I have a note from my mommy, or in your language, my commander. >>>>>>>>>>>>>IF what you say is true and you are a veteran, I have never known a veteran to spew anti American hate and bullshit like you do. I seriously am a vet. Non-wartime, full VA benefits, etc... So welcome to expanding your horizons, but I don't hate the US, I just think it's a POS. I understand that in teh black/white world they're one-in-the-same, but I think that thins country used to be great and can be again, we just need to end this term, "neo-con" by voting out the crap that has fallen under that. Ike was a great, I would be a Republican if we had Ike-type politics, he was a real conservative, not this trash we now have calling themselves Republicans/conservatives. I would probably even stand and cross for the National Anthem, I will not do so now. It's your neo-con trash, you voted it in, not me. McSame is just an extension of that, a good ole boy from teh same school. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Many disagree with current policy and that's fine, but given your level of bullshit it makes it hard for many of us to believe you. Well don't believe me, believe the data. Don't make this about me, make it about the events, the data, the state of this nation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Edited to add. Well, I just looked at the entire thread for the first time, and it seems I'm not the first to question your authenticity. Apologies for the redundancy. Don't make it about me. You want to go to PM and let it lose, have fun, I won't even respond, just laugh, so why not mak it about the issues? By getting mad, all you do is let me know I won.

Well, when a person is an ideologue, that's what happens...... and tehy actually find teh 5% differences from Bush and try to make arguments that that 5% is 75%.

Hmm, while I agree that deficit spending and debt are bad, the economic effects are that deficit spending stimulates the economy in the short term. Rising debt crowds out private investment and manifests itself in higher interest rates, which in the long term will depress the economy. That hasn't happened. The higher interest rates are the result of problems in the mortgage industry and the Fed's fear of inflation. Right, and we had the short term stimulus, and now we're paying the price because revenues fell far behind Bush's spending spree in the short, medium and long terms. The largest increase in govt. spending EVER came in Bush's watch with a GOP controlled House and a GOP controlled Senate. Matched with the largest debt compilation ever............

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice dodge but please back up what you said I don't know where you would find data indicating the demographic of stock investors, but if you want to believe it's the homeless guy down the block, who am I stop you from doing so? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your profile says you are a ho. Do you have a full time job? Yes, pointing out your ridiculous statements. I'm A&P, IA, FCC GROL, PP; good enough? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Glad you said something about gas prices. Who will not drill here and now? Drill here and now fuel prices will drop. Most people I know are having trouble be cause they life in debt. Oh, about how Bush has fucked em up? That's the thread title, check it out. Then you go and make this a thread about drilling for oil.....see what I mean, it's a full-time job.

You both assume it was "bought" at all. Yes, let's assume all poor people steal, the presumption of guilt; kinda defines the Republican Party's take on poor people.

You and some other guys here only seem to define yourselves over "serving". It's OK to be proud about it, yes - but, if someone else does NOT want to talk about his serving time, where's your problem? Personally, I would not tell anyone here where I worked/actually work. So, what's up with this permanent urge? Are you therefore having sleepless nights, or what? Absolutely ridiculous. Thank you, which is why I don't wanna tell em.

I was in 4, honorable, VA benes, what's so difficult about that?

That is what I am waiting to hear. Heck if I was able to get an Article 15 for various things,and was lucky enough to have them rescinded, I cannot wait to hear how Lucky served. Heck I was a pretty damned good troop, and even got a couple letters of commendation AFTER I left the service, one from a Brigadier General and one from My Colonel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is what I am waiting to hear. I hope it wes worth the wait..... now your life is complete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Heck if I was able to get an Article 15 for various things,and was lucky enough to have them rescinded, I cannot wait to hear how Lucky served. Oh I had a minor Art 15, who didn't? I have full VA benefits and receive3d an honorable; the rest, just guess away. Letters of felatio, no, I didn't get those.

I'd rather leave you guessing which branch I served in than tell you. I am proud of the year I gave, the vet benefits I have, but ashamed of the trash that controls the brave and loyal troops.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding the Fed - it kinda shows how market forces overcome government planning. Sure, the Fed didn't prevent this. Recall all of the applause Greenspan got all those years he was being political (short term gains, problems when I retire). He was applauded for preventing a full scale recession when the tech market went kaput in the late 1990's. Yes, but he was chairman when the 1990 recesion kicked off, altho I think he did a godd job all in all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.The lowering of the interest rates was to counter the detriment that you argue Clinton caused thereby preventing a full recession, instead of the two nonconsecutive quarters of economic contraction that were his exit from office. Lowering of rates that I argue Clinton caused; more putting words in my mouth? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If what you say is correct about the low interest rates causing this, then this downturn is a downstream result of the tech-bubble bursting. No, the tech bubble burst in 2000, interest rates were lowered in what, 2004? Again, not what banks borrow at, but what we borrow at for long-term loans. Too much time between them, no correlation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And since the low interest rates designed to counter Clinton's weak economy caused this slumping economy, this slumping economy is Clinton's fault. Nice try. Gee, if I already knew you weren't a Republican, I would think you are one. Sarcasm, of course you are a Repub. Clinton's weak economy? The DJI form 3500-9800? Weak? Unemp from 7% to 4%; weak? Foreclosures and BK's down; weak? Make an argument, counselor. .>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I personally disagree with these lines of thought. I don't think that this slumping economy is Clinton's fault, but your argument does have some merit. We certainly can trace a causal path right back to his administration. I don't see how, and the bonus is that the debt was greatly lowereing from 250B/yr to 33b the last year he was in office while people proserred, a feat that either one or the other should occur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But I always welcome a new perspective. I certainly cannot disprove your theory, which blames Clinton for this economy. Oh quit your posturing and typical dishonest Republican placing of words in my mouth. Funny how the 3 stooges had/have the same fiscal policies, same result. Then Clinton had an opposite policy and received an opposite result.

every mechanic in our shop has money in stocks. As it falls I am buying more. Not a class thing at all. if you had a job maybe you could buy some too. we have sec 8 housing across from the shop. Have not seen any dying w/o food. I did see a over 40" lcd tv being unloaded today, was it welfare or drug money ......>>>>>>>>>>>Not a class thing at all. if you had a job maybe you could buy some too. Why would you make an ignorant statement that I don't have job? >>>>>>>>>>>>we have sec 8 housing across from the shop. Have not seen any dying w/o food. Well then, that whole, 'economy is shit cause poor people are eating' is BS, right? The debt being 10T is meaningless. The highest inflation in 27 years, well just another #. $4 gas, no biggy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I did see a over 40" lcd tv being unloaded today, was it welfare or drug money ...... It couldn't have been someone working for it and buying it.

I'm just having a good time keeping the geniuses guessing....maybe they'll get back to the thread / maybe not

>>>>>>>>>>>So you think the dollar and economy will never rebound? The slowing growth of the economy is just a small speed bump in the long term. You're being so short sighted! Never is a long time, so I try not to use absolutes; I leave that for our Repub brothers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We've got hundreds of thousands of people in this country who make it their full time work to watch the dollar and the economy. They spend their life analyzing every hourly up or down and how to fix it and grow it. The fed reserve basically, right? They've fucked that up pretty well, so watch it or not, they've failed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When was the last time an American starved to death from poverty in this country? I bet if you or I worked with social svs we would see it a lot, that and heat stroke, hypothermia, etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Those below the "poverty" line in this country still have televisions, microwaves, and cars. Except the homeless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As a nation, all we do is grow: Uh, the investors grow. How many poor/middle class play the stocks a lot vs how many upper class? That just supports class seperation. As for the economic cycles, yea, that happenes. How about the debt, the killer that never subsides? That will be an issue before long.

Didn't you used to be very right wing?

Military service? That is to a government not a country and a fairly pathetic measuring stick for being able to criticize structures around you, but whatever I am sure you have US flag pillow case to rest your head on at night. Totally agree, so what if a person has no military experience whatsoever? I think some here might have a US flag spedo, perhpas thong - please no pics.

I dont know. She has a habbit to get drunk at lunch on fridays, and there are several compromising pics of her engaging in public spanking play. Wouldn't she have been a fun VP for Clinton?

I was 17 when I did the same thing.

Hardly. I like to compare the USD to the Canadian Dollar. When Bush took office 1 USD = 1.55 CAND, it hit a low of 1 CAND = 1.10 USD for a bit, then went even for a long time, now it's 1 USD = 1.08 CAND as of today. Not a rebound as of yet, just a flux....maybe it will rebound, don;t think so tho.

The Desm have tried to keep Bush in check, they shoved 4 of his vetoes back up his ass, not bad for what 10 that went before the Dem congress? They are really tied up, they only have a reasonable majority in the House and the slimest in the Senate, so let teh Dems sweep the board as teh Reps have and then say they did nothing. The bubble that bust was as a result of the low interest rates, leading to high prinicpal values, leading to irresponsible lending, etc............ The low interest rates are the initial cause.

I think our job economy is better than advertised, but that is likely due to the dead dollar and grewat exchange rate.

Tie-in how the Dem's actions led to that, or as the Bush recession part II was ironically timed so it worked that way. As you know, ice cream consumption causes people to commit rape, due to their rate of consumption/increase simultaneously. A more comprehensive review would require you to look over that last several preseidents, congress sessions and their fiscal ideology. As we do that we can see that when a president is Republican that the economy sinks and the debt climbs.

Totally agree. I don't like a lot of media guys, but Russert and Matt Lauer and the sort are cool.