Lucky...

The press loves to always tie in something like this. As I recall, a Congressional subpoena and an ethics investigation is slightly different from a federal prosecution and trial. Yes, the press are a bunch of homo-loving, commy-pinko socialist minorities...... the same ones that covered the Clinton impeachment and other events that the dems disliked. Listen to Jesse Ventura: The media is neither liberal nor conservative, the media is a business and they MAKE news in order to further their business.

Well, evidently it is tougher, as she fucked it all up by overrunning the budget. All I'm saying is that it is easier in that the issues are fewer, I do see your point that the resolution / resources are alos fewer, but it's not a resume stuffer to be a potential president of the US.

Hey, I'm a numismatic, back off

Actually I do address legitimate issues. However what I see in response is mostly incorrect and emotional. The dems here see her as a weak point on the ticket. I see her as a strength because I do not discount her accomplishments as a governor because her daughter is pregnant or she hunts moose. Can you name her accomplishments as a governor? List the totality of her accomplishments. Talk about her darting from school to school and then finally graduating with a journalism degree: that being her entirety of education. That is weak for a potential president - extremely weak. She was more concerned with beauty contests and she didn't really do well with that; she only went as high as 3 place in the Alaska level. Hell, if she can't fix a beauty contest, how can she run the government? She was a mayor of a town of 7000, that is piss. That is like being a coordinator of a charity drive or something. I mean it's fine and all, but hardly bragging material esp considering she ran the budget way over in her tenure. There was all kinds of controvery with her stint as a gov and there still is. She has open issues that her and first dude refuse to address via suppression of testimony.

Hey, she made a key free throw in a small school BBall game...... I'll hear nothing of her not accomplishing.

Difference is that the liklihood of Biden doing anything in the way of succession is slim as compared to that of Palin taking over, which is great.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick. Hey, what's wrong with Moon unit Zappa?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, from the party that started this contest between Obama and Palin, now it's all about let's compare McSame..... ....trust me, you'll be back again comparing Palin, she's less Washington, less abrasive.

Don't worry, even in the US there are plenty of folks who believe treating animals like that makes one a level or two below pond scum. It's fucking retarded -- an indicator of very low intellect (to say the least). For sure, also how many serial killers get their start. See, you must either be born with genetic sociopathy or learn it via conditioning; abusing animals is a great way since they are property and can be destroyed, mutilated, displayed, etc without recourse. All the sociopath has to do now is to graduate into humans; the platform of abuse has already been laid. Here is a site describing this: http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/AbuseLinked/Abuse-serialkillers.htm Here is a site detailing a serial killer who did just that, shot and killed dogs and horses before graduating to humans, then killed 7 I think it was. http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5667&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 http://www.kpho.com/news/10351784/detail.html I think it's also an indicator of core values and propensity for evility.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you need such moronism to feel like a real big bad white fearless hunter, go ahead. Enjoy these games with dead small animals. Enjoy yourself. Psychologists refer to compensation theory to explain such behavior. Same goes with driving a massively lifted truck, driving a 200,000 dollar sports car, etc....

Could be worse....... http://cgi.ebay.com/1828-1-2-CENT-13-STAR-OLDER-PCGS-HOLDER-C3-B-2-MS65RB_W0QQitemZ290262440618QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290262440618&_trkparms=72%3A1207%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

That is your perogative which I respect. Mutually I respect yours...... even if you are wrong

We've been doing it for a long time via bonds. China owns 1.5 trillion or so of us. We are a fiscal disaster and as soon as the whole thing pops, the right wing rhetoric of social programs choking us won't work. We saw the indicators comming around under Clinton as he reduced military spending and opened socila programs, as well raising taxes on the rich. Then we saw it dump as soon as GWB did the opposite in radical fashion.

We actually agree on something. KInda, I don't see a difference much of the time.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your thread began with the title 'Fine Christian family values' and your first post simply had a link to an article about a cult. You're now backpedalling. That's only because you find a difference between Christianty and cults.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we are still pretty much a Christian country. That's why prayer is mandatory in school and abortion is legal. Not to mention gay marriage has just become legal in at least Cali. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our primary source of immigration is Mexico, and guess what...they are too. They are Mexicans.... ....oh, they're Catholics, not the same as Christians. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So your pipe dream of total secularism is just that for the next couple of hundred years anyway. And your dream of a statue of Charlie (Jesus) in schools and courtrooms is also defunct.

Apparently you didn't read the verses about casting the beam out of one's own eye... I've not noticed Jews, Hindus or Buddhists trying to get their morality enshrined in US law. Just Christians. I've not noticed Jews, Hindus or Buddhists lecturing others about their values. Just Christians. If you choose to throw stones, you should first ensure your house isn't made of glass. And let's clarify that a bit more, I think European Christians don't legislate morality as American Christians do.

There is something inherently wrong with a system in which only many, rather than all people incarcerated belong behind bars. You are aware that we're near, if not at, the top of that list, too, right? We just quit executing people for crimes committed as a minor.

Braz...yer wastin' yer breath with these folks. They hate the US...simple as that. And these rants by Lucky and Amazon et al would be #36...You must with all your heart and soul hate America and Americans and bash them at every opportunity, while claiming you love America though you contend that American patriots are really traitors. And do remember to accuse people who don't agree with you of being the ones who hate America and Americans. This won't confuse people with IQs above eggplants, but remember some of our best friends are about as intellectually astute as ashtrays. While Elitist Leftwing Liberals hate red-blooded Americans, remember we have blood also and it's always "B Negative". http://alohahawaii.home.att.net/leftwing.html Bill just warned you about PA's, why not inveil your PA here?: This won't confuse people with IQs above eggplants, but remember some of our best friends are about as intellectually astute as ashtrays.

Nice. You openly advocate killing cops. I won't give you the satisfaction of arguing with you. However, I will remember you, and what you just said. She was talking about the perps that she would havw to call the cop on. WHy engage if you can't be honest?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what should we do? Ignore crime? How about actually educate people in prison so when they return to outside life tehy have a chance? See, your beloved corporations run every prison I know of, so due to that they want return customers, it's good for business. The penal system entices people to recitivate.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Lucky, I don't need to know anything more about you. You trash the constitution and hate the US. In your mind I have to love everything we do or I'm a terrorist. This is just narrow thinking of course. You should examine why I trash parts of teh constitution and then weigh it out, but you want no such discourse, you just want to wave your flag and call anyone who doesn't buy into it a hater. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You should consider yourself "Lucky" to live here! Why, so I can beg for medical attention? So I can spend my life making others rich? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am aware that some of the founding fathers did terrible things. Indefensible things. Oh, the old, 'there are some things bad, but bla, bla, bla...." Sweeping it under is not valid, just a rationalization based on ignoring. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am proud of my country, even with its imperfections, both past and present. I would not want to live anywhere else. I'm not proud of many things past and present. I am proud of some. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So I see no point arguing with you any further. We are as far apart on our views as any two people can be. Excellent, so I won;t be reading more of you calling me a hater. What you should do is to break down my assertions into elements and weigh it for factuality, then make your judgments of me.

>>>>>>>>>>>>So tell me what do I get for my taxes??? The Iraq War and Mortgage meltdown..... get popcorn and enjoy the show.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lucky, the last line in your post shows clearly that you simply hate the US, even from it's very foundation. And clearly shows that you don't know me but want to make a judgment of me on little knowledge. I think the US is currently a POS. The world thinks that too, so I'm not exactly alone. I'm supposed to march lock-stepped and ignore the gross class separation, fascist corporate love, misuse of our brave military in Iraq and all the other BS. If not you claim I hate the US.....pure brilliance. So here is the last line: Yea, esp the part about freedoms, etc...... then go home and fuck your slaves.... the document was shoddy and written by thieves, murderers and rapists..... even if they were the gentlement of their day. So what part is incorrect? You attack me instead of saying I’m wrong, therefore….. Do you see the fallacy of your ways? You should try to impeach what I wrote, then go from there. Instead you acquiesce (agree) with my assertion and attack me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you want so badly to live in a socialist society, then move to a country where that is the order of things. How about Canada? You seem to think they have it all together. I’m considering it. Canada is too cold. Not sure where I would go, I have some ideas. I’m, thinking of staying here to piss off the moralists and other RW zealots. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The US is not a socialist system, was never intended to be, and I hope and pray it never will be. I know of no system that is 100% anything, so the US has some socialism, some communism and mostly capitalism. I would like to see that proportion go more toward socialism and away form capitalism until we reach a nice balance.

It's gonna vary, but people are people and the law of averages seems to apply.