Lucky...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My biggest point is, this is not a free market lack of regulation problem. It is just the oposite. Yea, that's like if there are 2girl per week getting raped in Central Park, we move all cops away from there and announce it to teh public there will be no police within 2 miles. BRILLIANT

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fucking people need to open their eyes. I almost have to wonder if this was not caused on purpose just for the oprotunity to INCREASE the kind of regulation and oversite that caused it in the first place. And you laugh at 911 theorists? It was caused randomly by opportunists, but would not have been possible without the lowering of the interest rate, that was the catylist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dodd, Schumer, Obama, Clinton and Carter are in the deepest as of now. I am sure many R's are there too but these guys float to the top. Love to read independent evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And is it all about power, votes and mainly money. And the trail is dam easy to follow if PEOPLE WOULD LOOK PAST PARTY AND OPEN THEIR EYES!!!!!! Show us the way to trail.

Can't agree more, there is no way I want my future tax dollars committed to this. I think that we can agree to this even though we are on opposite sides of the house (and when are you coming back to the bay area, did you know marco bough the DZ?) Why the hell should we bail out wall street, they gambled and lost, it is welfare for the (formerly) rich. My partisan view also tells me that this is bailing out Bush's buddies, the rich guys that line the GOP coffers, they have fucked us with high gas prices and now they want to rape the treasury. NO NO NO... GOP The insanely wealthy that are expecting a bailout from the American taxpayers are from all political affiliations. Surprise Surprise Surprise.[/gomer pyle voice] It is not just Bush's buddies, take off the blinders. I am vehemently against the bailout. I am against it too, but who else benefits? It's got to be 90% Bush buddies/Republicans.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's hypocrisy that while oil prices are at record highs all the oil politicians cry that we have to leave the oil companies alone, but when one of their buddies are in trouble they want to bail them out using our money, they are either screwing us with high prices or screwing us by wanting to be paid out. They want their cake and want to eat it and the current GOP administration is giving it to them :( Where are we supposed to get the money to pay for the national debt, we have to have low taxes (the carrot to fool people into voting for them), low regulation of profitable companies (and fools believe you have to let the rich do this so they can spread the wealth) and big tax payout when they fuck up (or it would be really bad for main street). And to top it all they manage to spin it so schmucks [personal reference deleted] support them blindly. The Republican theme is a pyramid scheme and like all pyramid schemes, the last in loses, teh first in takes the prize. Mayeb in terms of a revolt we'll consider all current currency void and start over

What facts, the ones like Bush and his friends have become rich under his kingdom? I'm thinking so, which is why you get so angry.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If they gave them back because of media attention I have no problem with that. They should never have taken them in light that the airlines were in bad shape, workers were out of jobs and the gov was offloading tons of free cash to keep them afloat. Waiting till public scrutiny is like appologizing after you're caught shoplifting.

Follow me Rush, I'll paraphrase: LIVENDIVE: CEO's salaries are controlled by shareholders, the public willbe the new shareholders, why can't we control CEO's compensation? RUSH: You want to move control to the government and lose freedom, you are not being consistent. LUCKY: You have no problem allowing Regan/Bush to control labor, but you do for the gov to control CEO's pay in the same sort of emergency - 1 way street. ......I'm hoping that clears it up, I'm sure you'll still act confused, even tho you're not.

Oh, cool, warped, ur back. Now go answer that thread where you shed your brilliance upon us and stated that Obama has been a US Senator for 2 years and that's it; no mention of him being one for 4 years this January or him being an Ill. Senator since 97 before that. Please post where I stated what you just said. Are you delusional, or are you just trying very hard to misrepresent what others actually say? Not delusional, confused you with Gawain. Gawain did say that, admitted error. My bad, thought it was you - was not.

I'll agree there -- my contention about "low intellect" probably missed the mark as far as true indicators go. There are plenty of dumbassed people around who treat animals with respect. Not only that but many serial killers are usually above average IQ. But I get the idea that it exhibits dumb-ass behavior.

Jessus can we be so dumb. When will we run out of venues/depts to privatize, fuck up and then socialize? Will we go full circle and use the same ones over again? - I'm the decider - I'm the deregulator ....... and they're not the same?

No way, you voted indep/Libertarian all the time? Either way, point stands, your vote wasn't near Obama.

Actually you could probably find a firm to do it for 1%, or 10 billion $. Just like contengency lawyers will work for 10% instead of 25% or 33% on huge cases, this amount is so high that if it were HONESTLY bid, you find a firm to do it for 10B.

Can't agree more, there is no way I want my future tax dollars committed to this. I think that we can agree to this even though we are on opposite sides of the house (and when are you coming back to the bay area, did you know marco bough the DZ?) Why the hell should we bail out wall street, they gambled and lost, it is welfare for the (formerly) rich. My partisan view also tells me that this is bailing out Bush's buddies, the rich guys that line the GOP coffers, they have fucked us with high gas prices and now they want to rape the treasury. NO NO NO... GOP Sad you are blinding yourself to the true cause.......... Sad you are so partisan that you are in denial.

Right, the same people pissed about the control that goes with the 700B+ gift are the ones screaming about workfare controls.

Free state, that's what got us here.

The CEO's compensation is frequently determined by the shareholders and their board of directors. You and I and most of the other folks here are about to become major shareholders in these companies...are you saying you DON'T want your representatives to limit your expenditures? Blues, Dave you are in the trap. Care to give more control to gov just cause your pissed? If so, how is that different from freedoms taken under the pretense of security? I think you have agrued that point. Question is, which way do you go to be consistant? Accounting for the expenditure of dollars is simply good sense. Would you prefer to hand out 700 billion dollars with nothing more than a "Have fun, and don't spend it all in once place"? Why should there be less oversight on the spending of these companies than we give people in the middle of a bankruptcy repayment plan? There is no reasonable parallel between expecting accountability in exchange for a massive bailout and expecting innocent citizens to give up their rights for nothing. Blues, Dave Oversite untl we get our money back is one thing. You are talking about wage controls. Big difference. American airlines, after 911, had their executives getting their multi-billion $ bonuses they took, then had to give back after all the media attention. Meanwhile thousands of employees lost their jobs or had to take a lot of time off......I'm guiessing you think the CEO's should ahve been able to keep those bonises.

The CEO's compensation is frequently determined by the shareholders and their board of directors. You and I and most of the other folks here are about to become major shareholders in these companies...are you saying you DON'T want your representatives to limit your expenditures? Blues, Dave you are in the trap. Care to give more control to gov just cause your pissed? If so, how is that different from freedoms taken under the pretense of security? I think you have agrued that point. Question is, which way do you go to be consistant? Yet you agree with Reagan/Bush and his many times to tell labor unions that if they strike, he will void their union contracts..... 1 way street, I see.

This is basically the big sucking sound of the end of a system. Neo-cons hate it, but it's time to the massive Capitalistic onslought. If it doesn't end here, it will end in a few years, CAPITALISM DOESN'T WORK. Quasi-Capitalism does work, but unregulated Capitalism is a bust, just as most versions of Communism. If teh bigs can't collude responsibly, they can't collude at all.

Go figure. 2 reasons: 1) She gives him wood. 2) It's political etiquette to be nice to the other side, attack their political beliefs, but be nice to the person. Bill is the consummate politician, so he knows what he's doing.

Well, us pee-ons don't control shit, so when the bigs don't handle things responsibly, that's what happens.

Those people are called "bureacrats." Here's how the government works: Funds will be distributed to target company. You've gotta pay the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy to distrubte the money to the end user. You've also gotta pay the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy to make sure that the funds go to the right place and under the rules. Then you've gotta pay the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who audits these requests and then pay the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy who pays the guy to prepare the reports. With this level of bureacracy, nothing can go wrong. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy. All work and no play, Jack’s a dull boy.

Get used to it, we willbe having a lot more gov reg...if you think we can trust your beloved corps to do what's best for the country, look at the debt, the deficit, the stock market, the foreclosure/BK rate, etc.... We are the kid that has shown he can't handle the car responsibly, so we lose the priv to use it.

Also the Household financial situation graph reads - under getting better.

This is true. However, society in general tends to abhor and punish pedophilia, whereas the Catholic Church has spent decades protecting the abusers and vilifying their victims. That's why we get to poke Catholics with a stick. For the most part it's a reaction to the smug hypocrisy that many Christians exhibit. It's a similar sort of schadenfreude as when the most vocal minister or GOP senator is found to be a secret player of the pink oboe, usually in a public setting. Mr. Kallend, you have my vote.... Well, that's true, the reaction is different and abhorent, I was just speaking from a demographics point.

Come on, have you ever voted for a Dem as pres? Let's be real here......