DanG

What part of pulling carbon out of the ground and putting it into the air is cyclic? Yes you did. You said that if AGW proponents can't show that the climate is changing faster than ever then they need to shut the fuck up. Maybe you don't know what I mean by lynchpin. It means an aspect of the argument that is vital to the success of the position. Without a lynchpin, the whole thing falls apart. - Dan G

I'm sorry, but you're not thinking this position through. The argument from the AGW supporters has never been that the climate is changing faster than in ever has before. The argument is that for the first time ever, the climate is changing due to man's activity. If man's activity were cyclic (like all the cycles pointed out in your study) it wouldn't be a big deal. Our activity is not cyclic, it is only going one direction. I'm not sure where you got the idea that a lynchpin to the AGW argument is that the climate has never changed faster. That's not a fundamental part of the argument. - Dan G

No one thinks that California's changes by themselves are going to stop climate change. What they do, however, is get the ball rolling. Someone has to lead the way, and when it is a large state like California, it makes it easier for other states to follow suit, which makes it easier for other countries to follow suit. Using your logic, there's no point in quitting smoking, since that next cigarette haas a miniscule effect on your long term health. Taken as a single event, smoking a cigarette isn't a big deal. Smoking 100,000 of them over a lifetime, however, adds up. Is Elon Mush controlling the economy by developing electric cars and solar storage devices? Are grocery stores controlling the economy by selling reusable bags, or streamlining their supply chain to use shorter shipping routes? Smart companies realize that there are econimc benefits to "going green". That's not controlling the economy, that's growing the economy. Do I think some of the government's programs result in an overcontrolled economy, sure. But to imply that there is no way to reduce climate change without a totalitarian green state is disingenuous. Luckily most people don't reside at the extremes. - Dan G

I assume that you understand that study to say that climate changes in the past have occurred without man's input. That is true, but that doesn't mean that climate changes can't occur in the future because of man's input. As you like to point out, there are many variables that impact the climate. The gap in your logic is that you believe that one of those variables is not man's activity. Man's activity has an impact on the climate. The stuidy you cite is evidence that small changes in the variables that affect the climate can result in rapid changes to the system. I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change. - Dan G

Still citing studies that you don't understand, I see. - Dan G

Um, no. I was paraphrasing the logical conclusion of the position taken by lawrocket (and rushmc). They think that all the politicians who believe in AGW only want to extert control over the lives of the little people. By extension, the politicians who disbelieve AGW must be doing it out of an altruistic sense of keeping big bad government from growing out of control. That position is hogwash. Both sides have a broad spectrum of people, some of whom truly believe (or disbelieve) that there is a serious problem with AGW, and some who only care about their own bottom line. Most people fall in between. - Dan G

Irony score high. You can turn it off, you know. So, the Democrats are evil power grabbers using AGW to stick their little fingers into every aspect of private and public life, while the Republicans are white knights trying to save the world from this dastardly lie? You're listening to rushmc too much. - Dan G

Just like there are plenty of people who are making a killing convincing people to ignore the problem. You lost me. I think there's a typo there somewhere, but I can't parse it. - Dan G

If Suslique starts behaving like Ron, then maybe people will be less nice to her. So far, she's thoughtful and polite, so she gets the same back. Wonder why people are rude to Ron? - Dan G

I very much want it to be untrue, but my desires aren't really important. I don't want it to be true, but it is. People like rushmc, however, don't want it to be true, so they only listen to people who don't believe it is true. If they listened to all the evidence, they would have to face the fact that their desire for AGW to be a lie isn't going to pan out. - Dan G

Outstanding apples to apples comparison. Edited to add: where's the eye rolling sarcasm emoji? - Dan G

I think it takes a 'special' person to do many jobs. I couldn't be a cop, I have too high a temper. On the other hand, most people couldn;t do my job. There are many jobs that any Joe Schmoe can do, and many that require special skills or abilities. I think being a cop is one of the latter. - Dan G

What does the President's prior work experience have to do with the capability of the rest of the national intelligence and military apparatus? - Dan G

It would definitely jot be universally accepted. I wouldn't accept it, and I suspect many others wouldn't either. The rule of the mob is not what our country is about. - Dan G

You need to understand that for people like regulator, "liberal" is just shorthand for "things I don't like". - Dan G

How do they expect to improve on perfection? - Dan G

There's a difference between hijacking a thread, and noting that limiting the scope of the thread to only sea ice doesn't tell the whole story. But of course you know that the focus on sea ice is intended to obfuscate the big picture. - Dan G

Yes, really. How do you think the conversation would be different? - Dan G

You think a 10 year study on ice extent is too short a period, but your 17 year pause is definitive proof that global warming is a hoax. - Dan G

I imagine it would be much the same. - Dan G

What is alarmist about "Gravity data show that Antarctic ice sheet is melting increasingly faster"? - Dan G

Because it takes something like 20 years to grow a new one. If they let all the almond trees die for a short term drought, then the world won't have almonds for 20 years, and all those farmers will be completely out of business. - Dan G

Maybe that's fine for local politics. At the national level is would be completely counter to what the Founding Fathers intended. - Dan G

Maybe the standard gear package weighs about 50 lbs? Maybe above six flights they use ladders? - Dan G

Based on available evidence,what do you think these guys should have been charged with, if anything? - Dan G