Chris-Ottawa

Hello Everyone, I know this thread is terribly old but I was looking at some old posts today about Javelins and read alot about hard housings. My rig has hard housing for the cutaway cable, but in the risers, it's just got a piece of meterial that creates a stow for the excess cutaway cable. From what i've been reading, you can get a plastic or metal tube to put in there to prevent them from being held in severe twists. Am I completely misunderstanding this possibly? I understand that if my risers were twisted beyond belief, it could "pinch" the cutaway cabe in their stow in the risers. I can get pictures if anyone wants, but is this something I should look into or is this something that doesn't matter. The rig is a Javelin Odyssey, manufactured in 2002. If you want anymore details, please ask. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Just read a bit deeper into the website and he is jumping from 2100 and deploying almost immediately. Still curious about the safety factor. "When once you have tasted flight..."

I just wanted to say good luck man! Way to go. That being said, I have 3 questions, #1 - Is this safe? (Exhaustion, low oxygen etc...) #2 - What altitude is he jumping from? #3 - What are his opening altitudes? "When once you have tasted flight..."

Here's some other things I've found, may or may not be useful: http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&did=19&product_id=6321 http://www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3231-PhidgetSensor-Accelerometer.aspx?feed=Froogle This one is very simple and similar to what I suggested building earlier. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/accelerometers2.php Here's where I searched, there's tonnes to go through http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=accelerometer&btnG=Search&lmode=online&sa=N&start=0 Even better heres a cheap aircraft digital one, would just need to power it http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/gt50.php I'm so curious about this because I fly alot and have pulled multiple g's in planes and once you get over 2 or 3 g's, it is incredibly difficult to lift your hands and feet. I did it once where we put the plane 90 degrees to the ground and yanked on the yoke, I put my hands on my legs and feet on the floor. I couldn't help but grunt as we were pulling, it was completely involuntary, and I couldn't lift my hands or feet from their positions. I moved my head from dead centre and it got pulled down so I couldn't lift it. Now this was in acessna and these planes are not rated very high for G forces. The pilot estimated 2-2.5 g's. "When once you have tasted flight..."

CRJ - Canadair Jet Under Seat - 16 x 17 x 9 Overhead -43 x 16 x 8 Measuredin inches by Width x Depth x Height Enjoy EDIT: What would I do without google.... "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey, I've heard of ways to measure G force if you're interested. The device can be made very simply, but does require a few things. (plastic tube, fish scale, ball beaing, elastic etc) This device would not be terribly accurate but it would give you a good idea. See picture for details but essentially, hang the ball bearing in the tube from the elastic. Mark the point that it sits while not in motion, that is 1 G. now use the fish scale to pull the ball bearing the amount of double it's weight and mark that, keep doing that and you can make a a scale on the tube. Now to save the "highest" G you did, all you would need to do is make some sort of cardboard plate that fit the diameter of the tube and put some cotton balls behind it to hold it there. Then when you pull G's the ball bearing will push the plate and cotton down and it will stay there until you can check it. You would need to attach this to your body and would probably have t reset it after opening shock. But if you're curious and can't afford anything that accurately measures G force, try it. I'm sure you can find better pans on the net, I looked quick but didn't come up with much. I'd be curious to see, as I feel 3g's is a bit high. (Mind you a 200lb guy on a 150 could probably get spun up pretty good. Chris Let me know if anyone tries this and how it worked. "When once you have tasted flight..."

My Rigger gave me a good piece of advice when disconnecting my risers. When you pull them off, put an elastic around them and use the phrase "Right on Top". Then when you go to put them back on, you remember that the right riser is on top. This assumes you stacked the right riser on top of the left riser when you put the elastic on. Works for me. Chris "When once you have tasted flight..."

I love how this turns around to make me look like the a$$hole. Classic! Whatever, I'll accept that, I'll be the jerk. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Well, I agree with all of that. But, when someone takes an unecessary dig at me, I defend myself, simple as that. You knwo just as well as I that the comment was uncalled for. I understand I can't control the thread, but it seems, someone turns it against me, then everyone jumps in and says "yah, so there...". I just find it funny how many times something gets repeated in the same thread over and over just because everyone wants a piece of the action. As always, I appreciate the advice whether the thread stays on topic or not, but it was unecessary to make a comment like what was posted. And if I don't reply to every post, it will seem like I'm hiding. I have nothing to hide, I didn't start anything here. I like to explain things as they are. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Sparky, I know it may have seemed to me that it was a long time and in reality it may not have been. All I know is that it doesn't take NEARLY that long any other time, or on another rig. And again, this thread was NEVER about my PC hesitation at all. I don't understand why everyone needs to keep going on this. If I wanted to know why my PC takes longer to pull my pin on a subterminal jump, I would have asked that. When it happened, I asked my rigger, he checked my gear, and I was comfortable that he said everything checked out. I understood WHY before I went on the next jump, or before I finished packing my gear. So let's stop discussing who is right and who is wrong or if it was a PCIT or not. That's not the question. I hate how everyone is being so argumentative. Sparky, do you remember my last thread where I said people take something I say and rip it apart? Seems awfully similar to this thread. It was fine until Reginald made an unecessary comment about what I said, then out came all the stops. Please, I'm asking everyone, don't be concerned with my gear, or my logic behind a PCIT or whatever. That is the least of my concerns, I've worked that out. It had nothing to do with the question I asked. When I have to keep repeating myself over and over, it makes me look like an ass when I didn't start any of this. You guys started it. I'm starting to think some of you guys post here for the sake of starting arguments. I just wish everyone wasn't so willing to jump on a newbie. Some of you need to slow down, and respond in an appropriate manner. Here's Reginald's post edited to be much less harsh: Original: Chris, What you actually experienced was not a PCIT, it was actually called pilot chute hesitation. At lower speeds it takes a little longer to pull the pin. It is nothing to be concerned about, it's just something you should be prepared for when doing a H+P. Anyways, Let me repost the original question: "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey, It was not a PC stuck in my burble, it was extended and being held by the pin. I agree with what Bill Von said. It was a PCIT that cleared. I was still towing a PC no matter what the reason. I agree that I didn't have a PCIT mal, but I also never said that I did. I would also understand a PC Hesitation to be stuck in my burble and not towing. Either way, I thought I was clear when I said I had a PCIT that cleared after 6 seconds. Either way, that's not my concern, I know and understood why it happened before leaving the DZ. My question was not about my mal, it was a scenario question. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Thank you for understanding my concern! I wasn't complaining that I had a mal, I asked for advice on what you would do in a scenario. This thread originally had nothing to do with "my" hesitation, just a question based around that scenario. But nonetheless, it turned to me. Thanks Dave! "When once you have tasted flight..."

and I remember saying this, oddly it's a few posts back in this thread. That's not what I was arguing about. He said that I should stop crying as I didn't have a mal. I agree I didn't have a mal, but that's not what I was "crying" about. I was asking What would you do in this scenario, not please feel sorry for me, I had a mal. I think everyone is a bit critical on these forums. My first post clearly stated I had a PCIT that cleared itself. So I apologize for using a slightly incorrect term, but you all know exactly what I meant. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hmm, Just wanted people to see that newbies have questions that a skygod might think is stupid. I think this is hilarious! Looks like Ron was a beginner once. How weird? He had an issue very similar to mine, hell it was even on a H&P. Guess he shouldn't have worried about this one either. Just thought I'd post it for all to read: http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=810533;#810533 Sorry Reginald, but you started this, and I'm finishing it. Don't be a dink when newbies ask a question. I come here for advice, not to satisfy you. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Easy there...chill out Would you not be concerned if you had done 3 jumps, 2 with problems? And why did this never happen on any other H+P on borrowed/student gear? I'm not stupid, If this was the same thing on every H+P, I wouldn't second guess it, but it's not. I'm in a learning stage, I have 37 jumps. Are you telling me when I think I have a problem to shut up and ignore it because a skygod like you says I'm being a drama queen? Hah! I am being wise about my jumping, and I enjoy posting here because there is alot of good info and alot of experience. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Sparky, The only reason I considered this is because I had the time. Even if I did consider saving it, I wouldn't have held on to it down to 3k or whatever. I'd chop and dump my reserve by about 4 or 5k. As it was happening I wasn't worried, I was simply yelling, Oh no, not again, dammnit. Then it came out. Like I said earlier, if it was a low H+P, none of this would have crossed my mind and it would have been gone. Chris "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Quinny, It is not a bungee, it's just a collapsible. I am cocking it correctly as I had my rigger check it out and everything. I've done 3 H+P's, 2 have had PCIT's. It's got me concerned. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Just thought I'd also add why I was considering saving my main. Guess where it would have ended up? The second picture shows where the DZ is (See the big triangle, it's in the middle of the right-most runway) "When once you have tasted flight..."

The reason I started this thread is because when I had this mal/incident on Saturday, one of the other guys at the DZ told me a story about his PCIT. He had a PCIT, and it wasn't coming out so he chopped and deployed the reserve. The reserve caused the main to come out at the same time and he wasn't sure if it was because the jolt or harness shift or what, but it did. Once under his reserve he followed his main and landed with it only to find the bridle of the PC knotted around the reserve freebag. Not what you want to see. That scared the crap out of me! "When once you have tasted flight..."

Ok, that's better, heh. My fault for saying PCIT, it should have said Pilt chute hesitation. Thanks I DO agree that a PCIT is a packing error, if it is misrouted and does not work it's way out. Chris "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Mykel, I agree with everything you said, except for the fact that this is a packing error. I disagree with that because this only happens at subterminal and I've packed and routed my bridle exactly the same every single time I've packed. This happened to me once before on a H+P from 4500 but it only lasted 3 seconds. Both times I've looked back and seen the pilot chute at full extension, not in my burble. To me it would seem as though my closing loop was too tight. Needless to say, I spoke with my rigger on the ground after this happened. He checked out my gear on the spot and said it was all great. Then, I packed and asked him to check my routing and pin tension etc. Again, he said it was great. The only thing they can attribute it to is the fact that I fall very slow, and if I deploiy on a H+P, it needs that extra big of speed to really grab. This never happens on a terminal jump. (Mind you it's only been 6 jumps on this rig and 2 have been PCIT's) I'm gonna be pulling higher than normal on the next few jumps as I'm a bit paranoid now. It's a weird feeling having a PCIT, on the first one, I watched my bag come out and everything. This one I gave a bit longer and still nothing so I was looking down to make sure I had my handles so I could chop, when it suddenly opened. Thanks for the advice so far! "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Sparky, Yes I know what I wrote. I explained why it's not recommended, but then I also replied with what I would do in that scenario. If it was a 3k H+P, I would cut and pull reserve without thought. But given 10k and lots of time, "I" personally would try to release it. Maybe that would be the wrong thing to do, but I potentially have a good parachute stuck behind a pin. If I can prevent a reserve ride and having to go to my last chance, I think I would in this scenario. I prefer to find out about mals and the best recovery from them before they happen so I'll be prepared. I'm not saying I would fight with it, I just said I would try and if it was stuck, my reserve would come out. I just think it's risky to be towing something when my reserve comes out. If you jumped and found out you didn't have a cocked pilot chute, you know that you potentially have a good main to use. Simply the pin is not being pulled, you would pull your reserve anyways? I'm open to advice, that's why I started this thread. I wanted to know "What would you do" in certain scenarios. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Your hand is in the general vicinity of the lines coming out once you pull the pin. Not to mention the nasty gash, or line burns if you got lucky and didn't get tangled. Imagine one wraps around your wrist, not good. Your hand becomes a potential snag point. In my opinion, I would consider trying it anyways because I'm a bit paranoid of a cord and mini-parachute dragging behind me when my reserve is going to come out and take that same path. If it were to get slightly tangled, it would get very ugly very quick. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey everyone, I did a 10k H+P this weekend and had a PCIT for about 5 seconds. Eventually it opened up and all was well. This brought me to a question. If you had a mal on a 10 k H+P would you chop right away or would you wait until you were a bit lower. This may come off as a dumb question but I'd like the opinion of some more experienced pilots. Obviously the mal would dictate what you would do and how quick, but here's some scenarios. For these scenarios, please give whether you would you chop and go reserve right away or fly it to 3-4k and then do EP's. Please give detail as to why you would make such choices -Pilot chute in tow (You are unable to manually pull the pin by reaching back) -Bag Lock -Slider hangup (Canopy is just sniveling) -Unable to find hackey/Hard pull The reasons I ask these are: 1 - To shorten the reserve ride 2 - Reduce chance of losing canopy and freebag There very well may be other scenarios but I'm just curious what the general public would do. Obviouosly if this was a 3500 H+P this question and scenarios have zero relevance. "When once you have tasted flight..."

If I'm not mistaken, his jump was called off due to lack of funding. "When once you have tasted flight..."