Richards

Well, you tried to help him and give him the benefit of your experience and he blew you off. His loss. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Francis Ford Copola is going to shoot you. You Coc-a-roach. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Without wind resistance how is he going to maintain stability, particularly if he has an unstable exit? Pardon my ignorance, but if he can reach speeds of 1500 KM per hour could he not also end up in a spin/tumble that will have too much momentum when he does reach greater air resistance? I am still reasonably low on the learning curve (only have my A) so I do not understand how this may or may not be a problem for him. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Really? Where? This is the first I have heard of it. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

This is exactly the point I have been trying (and obviously failing) to make all along. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I have never said that I was OK with innocent people being convicted. I of course would expect all the same rules regarding burden of proof to apply to this. I merely want the ones who have clearly demonstrated intent to face stricter penalties. Many people who have been caught with whole libraries of this stuff have been given no jail time at all. In many cases they simply are given a fine, community service, and probation. Subsequently people are willing to risk it. It's not really clear to me how big a problem this really is. If people in some far off country are abusing their children to sell to our perverts, is there harm that we can do something about?*** I can't help but feel that people sexually abusing and torturing little children to profit by selling to people who get off on entertaining these sick fantasies is a big problem. Again, we can have effective laws with real penalties for those who have been convicted of posessing and distributing the stuff. Furthermore we can track back to those other countries and cooperate with their authorities, to help apprehend the individuals distributing it. We have done this with the overseas sex trade, I am sure we could cooperate with other nations to share info and prosecute both sellers and buyers of the material. I don't see why raising the penalties for people who have been convicted of this crime is always equated to lowering the burden of proof. The same safegaurds should apply, and if the existing safegaurds are insufficient then address that as a seperate issue. Why should people who purposely buy this stuff not be penalised heavily? Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I am not so sure about that. Many people who have been arrested have been incredibly bright people(Nick Leesam). Often it is the fact that some people who are incredibly smart are drawn to crime because they feel that they can get away with it, and it is profitable. If there are any criminology students, or correctional/police types on this forum, I would be interested in hearing what they have to say about that. Again I do not have a strong argument against that. It would be worth seeing if anyone has done a study on that. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Howdy, I don't recall ever putting words in anyones mouth but I will watch for it. It does not bother me at all really. I come to speakers corner for interesting debate and am more than willing to lose an argument if doing so enlightens me (and I have lost a lot of debates). I just find that when I am constantly trying to restate my position to someone who is just trying to take my words out of context because they view this as a contest, we lose the constructive nature that is supposed to be fostered in these debates. It often degrades into a game of one upmanship which is a shame because if someone has a strong view they would serve the forum better by offering a constructive counterargument. I do not mind to be told I am wrong. As a matter of fact I do not mind people telling me my point is stupid (I have some extreme views admittedly). I just wish people could explain why they think that, while addressing the issue I have put forward. Anyway I am open to debate, but if my position is wrong, explain why. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Putting words in my mouth again. If you attack only the supply you merely drive the price up and entice others into the market. As with any war (drugs is a good example, so is prostitution) you have to address both supply and demand. America has had their DEA, and military working in columbia to address the supply of drugs. Due to the demand for drugs, suppliers simply became better at avoiding the authorities. Furthermore, drug cartels in Mexico filled the void as things got tougher in Columbia. Again, while I never suggested that we should ignore the supply I simply felt that investigating and prosecuting the end users would have to be part of the overall plan in combatting the problem. Most of the people who have been arrested for downloading that stuff, in the media have appeared to be "normal and respectable" family men. Therefore it is probably safe to presume that this might be representative of the polulation as a whole. So long as "respectable" men with families and careers feel that they can safely download this stuff, they will continue to do so. If you merely take out the distributors then the unsatisfied demand on the part of net pervs will entice others to profit by filling the void and suppling the product. This argument has been demonstrated in the war on street prostitution. Arresting the girls was pointless because they had no choice but to go back as soon as they made bail. The pimps were not detered as the penalties were the cost of doing business. When they started targetting the "Johns" and guys had to call their wives to bail them out at the station while trying awkwardly to explain to their wives why they were arrested with a hooker, there was a sharp decline in prostitution. How do you address the problem of sickos who like downloading this stuff? No straw man arguments please....argue the words I have written, not the ones you put in my mouth simply because they are easier to argue. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

So long as there is a demand there will always be a supply. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You can start by directing you energy towards those who we know are guilty of helping Pedophiles, such as the UCLA for defending MANBLA. , I agree with you, but if I suggested that, then every devils advocate on speakers corner would acuse me of being a totalitarian, who was trying to shred the constitution. People are paranoid that any effective crime fighting measure will lead to totalitarianism, and therefore would rather just ignore the problem. Is there is a solution that would be effective without people accusing me of being a nazi Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I guess at this stage I have to ask is, how would you suggest we stop the proliferation pornographic material that involves minors? Do we just accept that there is nothing we can do about it? I am not interested in hearing about what we should not do, nor do I need annecdotes about falsely accused people. Given that there is a large demand by many sick people to download this material thus supporting that industry, how would you suggest we combat the problem? Or should we just ignore it? Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Same. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Bagpipes. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

My fourth grade teacher. Oh my god what I would have done for some "one on one" assistance from her in the privacy of her office. Regrettably nothing ever happenned. I can only presume she was not interested, since she never made a move even though I dropped by after class on several occasions.I know that sounds really creepy but at the time I did not care that she was much older. She looked hot in those knee length skirts she wore. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Buy a big dog. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

And they make for excellent target practice. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

So what about the ones that don't get caught? I would imagine that amongst criminals you have the same intellectual distribution as the rest of society. For example if regular society is 30% stupid, 40% in between and 30% smart, then criminals would be 30% stupid, 40% in between and 30% smart. The defining characteristic of criminals in my limitted understanding (I am not a criminologist or sociologist) is that they do not have the same ethical constraints as the average person. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

The law allows that if you take the right legal safegaurds (ie buy from a registered distributer who would be required to comply with the law) then you would not be held accountable. I think you know what I meant by what I said so I am not sure why you are deliberately trying to take my comment out of context. Common sense would indicate that the law would have to be demonstrate that the person knew they were buying material with underage girls or ought to have reasonably foreseen that it was likely that the material did not comply with state and federal laws. Judges are capable of distinguishing between an honest mistake and a scumbag who was deliberately seeking that material. Some judges perhaps. But suppose you draw a very moralistic judge who is almost as much anti-adult-porn as he is anti-child-porn? The law as written doesn't provide too many safeguards. You could end up putting someone who has no interest in child porn into jail for a very loooong time. The judge can only sentence you after a jury has convicted you which is not likely in the event that I described. Judicial abuse can happen with any law so the only safegaurds are; A: Have absolutely no laws so people do not get falsely accused of breaking them B:Make all punishments so weak that even if you are falsely accused of a crime it is of no consequence because the sentence is even a joke to the wrongly convicted. You cannot refuse to implement tough laws out of fear of abuse, otherwise you would have to apply the same standard to murderers, rapists..etc, since people can also be falsely accused of those crimes. If a judge hands down an unneccessarily harsh sentence, then that will be noted in the appeal. You are picking remote scenarios. Any solution will have drawbacks, so you simply recognize them and have procedures in place for people to redress undue process, or excessive penalty. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

If an individual had never downloaded such material and had once stumbled across one of those sights by accident, I am sure that the authorities would take that into account when deciding whether or not to proceed with an investigation. I am guessing that if someone has been convicted of that, they were probably not in contact with it by accident, or conducting research (Peter Townsend is a scumbag) etc. While it is healthy to have a certain degree of oversight in our justice system we should not be so afraid of judicial abuse that in tradeoff we allow for dirtbags to escape justice. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

The law allows that if you take the right legal safegaurds (ie buy from a registered distributer who would be required to comply with the law) then you would not be held accountable. I think you know what I meant by what I said so I am not sure why you are deliberately trying to take my comment out of context. Common sense would indicate that the law would have to be demonstrate that the person knew they were buying material with underage girls or ought to have reasonably foreseen that it was likely that the material did not comply with state and federal laws. Judges are capable of distinguishing between an honest mistake and a scumbag who was deliberately seeking that material. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

With regards, to the people who download the videos, they are still part of the demand side of the market for this sort of abuse. I suppose if the government was interested in identifying people and treating them they could offer an amnesty (much like gun amnesties), whereby people who download this stuff voluntarily turn themselves over to the police, and agree to treatment, supervision and some degree of probation in exchange for not having the book thrown at them. Immunity would not apply for those already under investigation. Nor could it be offered as an alternative to sentencing for those who have been caught. That is about as lenient as I could tolerate. Again I am not trying to sound like a hardass, but with respect to crimes against children the courts should be willing to give looooong prison sentences to those who are even caught downloading that stuff. I would also agree with greater authority on the part of the police with respect to monitoring online to catch people who download it. People will scream about big brother but if you are not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to worry about. It is a tradeoff; privacy versus protection of children...you cannot increase one without sacrificing the other so it depends on what you feel is more important. I personally would prefer to see more safegaurds in place to catch people like that. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

And all these years we thought we had you women fooled. Richards Well, you are a boy... I know. It is a tragic handicap. Without my wife to think for me I might not make it out the door in the morning. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I think a difference should be made between child molesters and pedo's. The first category can not be healed and should therefor be punished severely and without remorse. The second category falls under sexual orientation and something can be done about this. Therefor they should be punished and treated. *** I would allow treatment for pedos who acknowledge their problem and seek treatment before they act on their impulses. While pedophilia can be considered a mental illness, these people are not incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong. They know that regardless of their urges, acting on it will harm a child, and they know that harming a child is wrong. Therefore once they have acted on their impulses and harmed a child, they have forfeited the right to ask for treatment and should only receive the harshest of punishments for harming societies most vulnerable members. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

And all these years we thought we had you women fooled. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.