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No..thats actual performance. Im talking theoretical/design-wise...what can a suit do. From most wingsuits, the top performance levels they are capable of are quite clear in terms of avg or even minimum. Say 55-ish mph on an EU avg weight/height person. Glide of 1.5 or so. Even in a classic thats do-able...Trackingsuits how-ever, not. Thats not a to say you couldnt fly the suit at 90 mph, at a glide of 1:1 or less. But you would merely use the theoretical performance to benchmark/catagorize.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Thats all stuff for the wingsuit manual/BSR. Great to bring up, but not stuff linked to the definition as needed for the IPC. Im not sure about that one..as you can split that definition into 2 parts. Capable performance levels and realised performance levels. The 2nd one could/would be part of a record definition. A certain performance (use of the wingsuit) needs to be flown for it to count as wingsuit-flying instead of wingsuit freefall. But the first one (capable performance level) is suit design. What can a suit do (even though it may not be used to the fullest here). Although difficult to assign excactly, saying a suit needs to be able to perform at a LD (glide ratio) of at least 1.5 : 1 would probably do more good in narrowing down 'wingsuit or not' than any vague wording on design features and materials that try to also allow for future design options on other directions with regards to materials etc. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Not entirely correct. Only TonySuits and S-Fly input has been used so far of the current definition. And the rest is based on past comments/working versions of the definition. There is input from Phoenix-Fly (post pending approval on IPC board) and Jari/Bird-man also has not yet submitted input on the matter, but is expected to soon. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Sweet...looks a bit V3-ish in terms of wingsize/shape and inlets..? JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Its more important to be as thourough and complete as possible, than being brief. A definition set within IPC now, shouldnt hinder or (negativly) influence the possibility of non-wingsuit atire in other potential competition and/or record diciplines related to wingsuit flying. The matter tracer and presurized trackingsuits would urgueably fall in the wingsuit catagory by that standard.. Safety features are related to suit design/manufacturers. If people fly a tight 9 way in full wingsuits without any form of emergency arm-release or cutaway, why would it not be a wingsuit formation? I understand the reasoning, but this is more BSR stuff. Regardless, all good points and ideas. If you want these taken into account by the IPC voting members, post your thoughts on the IPC forum so they will be seen. Taya and I are reading all information here, but for your voice to be heard by the IPC, make sure you post it where the read it.. *edit* fixed incorrect use of quote functionality *edit* JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

The sceduling the IPC WG/Jacqui has for moderation is mondays. The people that emailed me the last 2 days asking about this, expect your posts to show up uppon the next moderating session after the weekend. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Perhaps a definition of a wingsuit would be to include a performance estemate/capability as a manditory aspect. That would exclude a lot of trackingsuits/camerasuits, yet not exclude single-skin/rubber/latex wingsuit models..? JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

yea..just not the stuff you get straight from your camera And with the amazing amounts of storage space, you can edit about 3 minutes worth of footage (in low reslution) JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

All great fun when we're 20 year ahead, but in the mean-time Il stick to hardware half the price, with a ton of additional functionality able to interface with current technology to actually play and edit current file-standards due to hardware specs being up to speed for what AVCHD and other video formats demand... I have no issues looking antique and ancient to all the hip people smirking at being lightyears ahead, with a device thats outperformed in anything beyond surfing and checking email by the cheapest of laptops And for the portable email and surfing stuff, the same device I have with a smaller screen does just fine.. There is nothing wrong with the Ipad...besides all users/fanboys being all 'Jehova's witness' about it, and trying to market it for the one thing its not intented for.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

The few twists Ive had, pushing the risers together also worked amazingly well. Im not sure who it was that initialy started preaching this technique...Brian Germaine or some of the PD factory team boys.. But worth noting, and using JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Ive used in once or twice as well, though rarely have spins luckely. But I see this as a technique people with more experience can play with, and someone still sorting out general body positions at pull time, shouldnt be to busy doing corrective moves in the harness at that time yet. But Id rather see them focus on the correct opening itself first. Id hate seeing people go into all kinds of asymetrical pupeteering moves before openings have even started. First working on a nice symetrical body position, and leaving 'advanced' corrective techniques for later is what I prefer.. That aside..Elias jumps a nice moderate canopy for his weight and experience level, and could probably have 20 linetwists without having to worry too much about the thing going into diving spins.. Sane canopy choices always are a good startingpoint.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Even a simple usb port would make it a lot more user-friendly... Whats the use in editing with an ipad, if web is the only way of getting stuff on and off.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Contrairy to the 'pull risers appart' advice, pushing risers yogether is a technique more and more HPC pilots seem to adopt. Try it on a pull-up cord twisted up. It makes the bicycle-style untwisting much easier.. Though using wings may work, getting the direction wrong, and the asymetrical hanging in yoyr rig can lead to a problem getting worse, instead of better. The classic methods work pretty well, with pushing risers together being a nice improvement to give a try... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I would have no issues taking anyone on an FFC in an Intro, Prodigy2, Phantom, Classic, Firebird, Sfly, Acro or similar. On bigger suits (even if 'okayish' according to some) Id prefer having people do 20 or so jumps (at least) on the smaller wings before upsizing to the tyipcal carpet people tend to go for these days as their first suit. (Though usually recommend going for a suit size thats good for more than long floaty falls, and good for the full range of flocks, docks and flying) JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

If you want to have a laugh, look up the discussion from 2008, when people suggested first coming up with a working judging standard, before calling things world records..See who where the biggest voices AGAINST it You are so skewed in mixing apreachiation, achievements, and FLAWED RULES pushed through for validation/credits. The people now screaming on official records being needed to give it a vallue, where the ones saying the excact opposite when it was first mentioned. The 2008 bigway didnt have any official validation during, at and after the event. And the general feeling of achievement was bigger across the community, than current belief in the things as applied now. Glad the USPA is seeing through the selective quoting and misinterpetation, used to push incomplete rules through. The things achieved, and methods used to judge are two different things.. Validation that means something is sure worth a lot. Shame the general perception of current standards, isnt part of that. Stop playing the sad crying victim and open your eyes...see what people are saying, and why they are saying it. Its only 'them against you' if you make it into that... The judging standard didnt create those bigways...people did.. You want to call any achievement in wingsuit flying sh#t due to it not having an official record label, be my guest. Glad to see many think different. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Because you dont know of other competitions, doesnt mean there srent others. Theres one in Brisbane in a few days, theres the birman challange.. Why all this frustrated ego driven need to claim inventing/pioneering things and label it records. Give it time.. You think the rules are fine..I see many improvements possible every year. Once there is a set of rules thats more widely used due to it working...than its time for a next step. This whole 'lets get something labeled a record/system/rule and fix it later...' I prefer first gettings things right, and than taking the next step. Wish you'd also open up more, and work WITH people or at least listen..instead of these constant spindoctor politics that go so far even USPA BOD reps tell you to take it down a notch.. Take it easy....its not World War 3...stop turning everything not alligned with your ideas snd vision into a personal attack... Just because you are in a rush to push everything through doesnt mean the rest has to run with you.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Look around on a typical playground, and you see several kids playing several games. And if people like one...they join in. The frustration sets in for some when people take everyone's ball, and demand they only play their game... People play different games...unless you have a few serious bullies around, who decide their game is the only thing that should be played.. Who says this will be a governing body? Geez...I don't know half about this whole thing going on, but about 20 times more than you know, and even Im refraining from comments, input and actual conversations until the full details are clear and posted, and I actually KNOW what Im talking about.. You're trashing an idea/concept of something you dont seem to have a single clue about, in terms of the actual intent or methods of working... Lighten up dude.....breathe a little....write the essays after someones had a chance to present their idea... Or is there only a limited group allowed to take initiative in getting their ideas accepted? If 20 people create their own organisation, it shows there are 20 different ideas people seem to think are worth lining up behind. If groups share ideas..they'll merge at some point.. Allow people that room to develop and investigate.. How about not doing that.. How about first figuring out WHAT we are trying to get recognized, before we impose more rules and demands on sub-disciplines that are still in its infancy....Whats the rush? If we dont get the bigway formation stuff sorted within IPC this year. Next year can bring a new presentation, with other advisers. Or the year after that. Or the year after that....at some point we'll figure it out...be it now or in 5 years. Development should be the only intent..and all the records and acceptance in organizations should not follow untill the concept is finalized within our own discipline. Where do you see artistic rules submitted for acceptance..nowhere.. Where do you see GPS comp rules submitted for acceptance...nowhere.. Appreciation outside our discipline and Acceptance outside our discipline are two different things....hope we can first work on appreciation, by trying to figure out what we want to show, in order to get that acceptance.. Its a lot more fun to work on this stuff, without a timer ticking, telling you to hurry up... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Without going into this whole subject, a lot of comments seem centered around the USPA and USA. I could see an initiative that just tries to see what is happening on a more global scale, only researching, playing and activly developing ideas that can be put forth to excisting gouverning bodies once there is a finanilzed idea that actually works, regarding any specific subdicipline within wingsuit flying. There is more than non-linked bigways to look at, using open en non-restrictive methods allowing full community input, feedback and development. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

The wingsuit equivalent of whats called an eagle in freefly. Transition from back to belly/belly to back, through a diving turn (flying it, instead of a simple front/back loop). Watch the O-Trailer at http://www.greendoormedia.com/theozone/movies.htm JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I think a big reason for tumbling is not making a clean 'solo' exit, and people doing fetal position style duck/cover type actions, to avoid other people. Worry more about your own body position and flying, and less about others. Though foot-in-mouth type incidents will happen of course.. But agreeing with BirdyNamNam, I also like spacing exits more. Flying them, instead of diving. As long as everyone carves/flies out of the door, and doesnt fall/dive backward, half a second extra doesnt differ much. The Red Bull AirForce guys show this nicely..they exit clean, slow..yet build faster that most people do on mass exodus type exits.. Though getting above a certain size, you do need to start tightening it up more and more to avoid people needing to close 3 miles of distance. Another good thing to do, is focus on some aerobatics on solo dives. The practice in flying weird positions and recovery, is exactly what teaches you how to deal with the poop if you ever get into a really bad situations.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Good job getting out of that one... Though good advice..I also hope more people see UPSIZING isnt always PROGRESS. Smaller suits enable you to fly more, do more, and also relly less on fabric to hold you up, and more on aquiring flying skills. Some people need the additional fabric to stay up (related to weight/build) but for a lot of flyers, downsizing and flying something more tuned to their body size, wingload, and general flocking-range will result in a lot better flying a across the board as well. In bigger suits, its quite easy to get into lazy legs, and end up flying the suit more like a camera-suit than a wingsuit. Low forward speed, yet low fallrates as well. So impossible to fly with for those 'flying' more modest wingsuit models. Aerobatics, backflying, docking and dealing with sh*t is all so much easier in smaller suits. And for many people (myself included) those suits are all they'll ever need..even though the trend is to 'upgrade' all the time.. Even FS en RW jumpers dress for succes...hope we do the same.. Be safe.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I a lot of older suits, massive de-arching, diving etc was needed to get the proper drive out of suits. Rolling shoulders and de-arching hips is often over-stressed. And (for me) led to a lot of floating, instead of flying.. Most newer generation suits have the angle of attack built into the wingsuit design , in terms of relative arm/legwing-size, so quite often starting with an all out, flat and open flying position works best. And slowly tweaking it from there. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Regardless of model or make...freefall SPEED doesnt say a thing about your flying. You could weight the size of a garbage truck, do 100 MPH, but fly the suit like a concorde with sidewinder missiles and a rocket taped to its wings. Focus on distance and forward speed. And the lower fallrates will follow.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Its not progression....its a dropping safety standard... I do a lot of funky shit, but I do it all up high, and stick to pull altitudes. There is no reason the range of a suit cant be played with higher. You guys are already spoiled with 13 to 14K, compared to the 10k to 12k we get everywhere in EU. We used to be a very safe dicipline, due to smart canopy choices, higher pull altitudes, respect for this dangerous new thing etc. Look at the number of accidents the last 2 years, and see the 'progression' which can be attributed for a large part to the sliding scale/lesser respect for the dangers this dicipline brings. There are some GoLow Hero's out there...but the general public doesnt always see the fuckups and close-calls they get into, or the aftermath of DZ regulations when they skip to another DZ, and leave the local flyers with the over-regulated shit to deal with.. More preaching in general than aimed at you in particular. Respect these big suits..only jump them with 80 to a 100 jumps of experience in a wingsuit. FYB, PF and BM all have recommendations for big suits..and I know Justin also preaches the jump numbers for this one. I hope everyone donning one of these to demo or own, is doing so at the proper experience levels, and the people handing you the demo are also using that same common sense, and dont put a sale ahead of safety. Stepping of my soap-box.. blue skies..long flights.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Sadly the event has been moved back to later this year at the last minute. Organisation believes the current boogie scedule (A LOT of stuff everywhere in EU) and late announcement of the event due to finalizing of boogie details, didnt guarantee the attendance that the loadorganizers would have want to see, to ensure fun flying for everyone. To continue the good boogie we've had the past few years, a move to a later date has been announced. Further details on a potential new date will be posted soon! There are always wingsuit flyers on the DZ, so for those dropping by anyways, just flashing some nylon will be enough to get your flock on anyways. Hopefully see everyone again this or next year at Empuria. All the best on behalf of the boogie Organizing team: Gustavo, David, Benedikt, Alejandro and Myself! For those wanting to fly around EU, be sure to check out the DZ's we'll be roaming at the coming weeks at www.flylikebrick.com JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?