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Just thought I'd let you all know the girl came by my room VOLUNTARILY and apologized to me without me saying anything to her. She admitted she was wrong in front of her class with no prompting from me or anyone else. I still sent her almost 4 times the work that I gave my regular class and will most likely continue to do so for the rest of her in school suspension, but I think I made some headway with getting her attention without laying a hand on her or allowing her to roam the streets for a week. I'm happy with my decision and had a good day...except for lunch which was gross. School lunches are horrible. Someone order me a pizza tomorrow and have it delivered around 12:15...PLEASE -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

I see a LOT of this with my teenage daughter. There is always someone who is being left out for some reason or another. Thankfully my daughter is not one of those left out because as a parent it is difficult to sit back and watch your child go through that. That said I try to encourage my daughter to include even those not in "the gang" at times...not all the times but sometimes. I honestly hope and pray my girls don't grow up to be like me because I would just as easily tell you to F*ck Off as look at you if you anger me in any way. You that know me have seen that. I vent then I'm better unless it was a serious offense. I have only resorted to violence once in my life and my ex deserved it. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

WAIT...I want the 80's stuff for my next class reunion. You can keep the rig...I wouldn't give you two pennies. Sorry, but I know my limitations. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Thank you, Keith for grounding me the past few minutes. I appreciate your support. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

If you guys read my response you'll see that I didn't "just let it go". The child has to face certain consequences that will be unplesant. No, I didn't return her back to the system that placed her here 2 days ago because I really didn't see it serving any learning purpose. She would simply move to another home then another etc. At least she is here, maybe settling in, dealing with a situation she caused rather than running away from it AND she is having to face some consequences. I consider this a learning experience for her. Just because I didn't have her locked up in juvenile court or paddled doesn't mean she isn't being punished. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

What she said. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Possibly because most guys don't know what that is. LOL, and you do? More so than you often act like you do. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Possibly because most guys don't know what that is. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

I agree I needed to cool off. (Be thankful you didn't have to see me mad.) I chose inschool suspension or ISS because she will still be expected to be in school on those 10 days. She will have to sit in a seperate classroom all day with "walls"around her desk, and have no contact with anyone else while completing her assigned work. This way she gets a "time out" while still being forced to complete her work. If she doesn't do her work then she will of course be again written up and possibly sent home for a length of time. At that point she will most likely be sent back through the juvenile system. I can at least say I tried to help her all I could the rest was up to her. I guess there comes a time in life where we all have to accept responsibility for our actions and her time is now. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

WHEW...I'm finally home. God knows it has been a long day for me. I'm going to admit up front I haven't read all the posts here yet but I wanted to go ahead and tell you what my solution to this was. First off I stood by my conviction not to press charges for the following reasons. 1..She is already involved with the legal system or she wouldn't be in the group home she is in. 2..I can honestly find no valid reason to have her sent to a youth detention center. I've seen how they operate and she would love it there because that behavior is expected there. 3..She wants to be sent back home and thinks that it will happen when she runs out of placement options. Sadly, I've worked for the department of Family and Children Services and know for a fact that happens all the time. I chose for her to have the maximum in school suspension allowed of 10 days. I don't think going home to the group home for 10 days will make much of an impact as they tend to roam the streets and do as they please there. At school she will be expected to complete the work and remain up with her class. During those 10 days I will send her class assignments to her. Know now that my ISS assignments are about 3-4 times as long as a regular class assignment. Before she is returned to class I am requesting a conference with an administrator and the school counselor. I will outline my expected behaviors as well as my zero tolerance for a second offense. I will expect a full apology in front of my class because the offense took place in front of my class. ANY and I mean ANY slight deviation from the expected behavior will result in her being again removed from my classroom. As for paddling I see way to many risks involved there and will stay far away from that. A child who has obviously been neglected and possibly abused will not respond to further punishment physically thus I feel I need to reach her mentally. I'm not sure I'm the one to do it, but.... As for her record. There is absolutely nothing in her file except her SSN, birth certificate, and shot record. Who knows? I could be dealing with a murderer or simply an unloved child. I feel like there is so much more I could/should do but obviously as a teacher my hands are tied. All I can do is what I think is right and hope that it is enough, and pressing charges just didn't seem right. Yes, I may regret it at a later date but this afternoon I don't. No, I don't like my job right now. Yes, I'm having a beer and it is only 4:30 here. Thank you for all your responses. I promise to read them all and consider them except maybe DJL/s...come on man. Thanks for listening to me vent and for the honest advice and support. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Actually I didn't clarify. The AP has told me that is one of the courses of action and wanted to know what I thought. Honestly my gut instinct is to do as Viking said and backhand the chick and be done with it; however, I can't do that...not one of the options. Pressing charges will result in her getting sent from the group home where she has only been 2 days. Honestly I don't see that it will change her behavior if I do press charges so I don't see the point. She came in with an attitude and I seriously doubt she will make it a month here before getting sent off to juvenile detention because she doesn't deal well with authority figures. Basically I just wanted to see if you guys agree with me about not pressing charges. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

GRRRRRRRRR...today has sucked. Some days I simply HATE my job. As most of you know I teach in an inner city middle school (6-8). I also teach the remedial classes so I get lots of kids with lots of different problems. They are generally anti-social and don't get along well with others. In my second class I have a new girl who has moved here and lives in a local group home. She has obviously been in trouble before or she wouldn't be here. The home will not tell me why she is there. They are not very supportive either. Today was only her second day in my class. When I tried to get her to pay attention and attempt to do the classwork she refused and was writing a note. I took the note and redirected her, but she again started writing a note and told me she didn't have to do what I said. I took the second note and she started a third. At that point I figured we were at an impass so I told her to step outside the room. She grabbed her pencil and I asked her to leave it because the kids write on the walls and I just had mine cleaned. Well after three requests she turned around and flung it at me. It hit about 8 inches away from me. She then proceeded out the door slamming it with all her might...and bumped into the assistant principal. Now I have to decide if I press charges or not. So what would you do? And yes, I'm so ready for a beer. I now have my classroom door locked because she is absolutely CRAZY and having fits int he office. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Dang I have lots of that stuff around my house. I have the popple, the trapper keeper, the mouse ears (several pair), the golf ball, the nametag w/ someone else's name on it, the easter egg, the curious george doll, and that's about it. Some things I would never admit to owning! -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

You know I'm glad you are back. It was so good to see you in that airport Friday night. Lane was laughing at us walking each other back and forth to the shuttle when we left. He said he would have helped me kidnap you if I had asked. You know I love ya and can't wait for us to spend some down time together. Some sweet chick brought me a bottle of wine that needs opening. Come down whenever you want. HUGS, Lisa -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Are we there yet? I'm ready to play on these birdman rodeo jumps and heck I may even see if I can snag one to fly. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Prayers for you and your grandmother. I'm sure she and my Grandmother will have lots to talk about when she gets there cause of their crazy grandchildren. I'm here and can so relate if you need an ear just pop me a PM. Hugs and prayers, Lisa -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Val, Just go in and be yourself. That should be enough drama for them. J/K hon, smile and have fun, but do try to be yourself cause they can tell if you are just acting silly. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

COOL updates, HH. It seems to like me and is letting me play around so I'm happy. Thank you, sweetie. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Maybe you guys should move it to GA. It is BEAUTIFUL here. Not a cloud in the sky and hasn't been one all weekend. Good luck to all. Be safe and have fun. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

That is so horrible. Vibes and prayers being sent in hope that he will be found safe soon. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

I can and often will pack my own Spectre which has 700 jumps on it, but my new Sabre2 which is nothing more than a smilie mess when I'm done I give to a trusted packer at my DZ. It isn't worth the frustration and aggrivation I get from packing it. I did pack it once yesterday and it is getting better so i figure I have about 10-20 more paid pack jobs on her before I can handle it without loosing my religion and patience. I do enjoy paying a packer at boogies and Big Way stuff because it gives me time to unwind and plan for the next round of fun. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

So come to the US -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Congrats you two. May you have many years of happiness. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you, HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, dear Sangiro.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you. Hope you had a great day and many more to follow. Hugs, Lisa -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.

Eric, It is so nice to see the smile back on your face. I can attest to the fact that the scar is MUCH smaller than it was at first. You look wonderful, Eric. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit.