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'thought a summary of dirty tricks would help the good guys stay safe and even expose some of the bad guys. ' ----- planted a feather and thought it'd grow a chicken.

Thanks for your informative reply. Yep I've still got things to learn. Narcissistic ? Does that mean obsessed with yourself and your own way of looking at things? Ps I think this bit of truth sucks too .,,biggly Let this thread die a natural death

Thanks for your reasoned response. You're right this is very rare.....thankfully. Some people just don't seem to get it that some of us have had very different and unusual experiences. Most of this stuff happened a good time ago so I feel OK talking about it. At the time I was just as freaked out as anyone would be. Please don't let this stuff get you down. Our sport is a very beautiful and I believe spiritual experience. Venting here has helped me get it all into a new perspective. Trolling? Bullshitting? Just not my style. Informing people of stuff to recognise & avoid .......no worries.

I'm glad you recognised the seriousness of this stuff. Can't handle a bit of angst venting? Perhaps you should look elsewhere. As for making it up ......I wish. & we didn't even get onto rig tampering after fatalities yet. Learning words for little kiddies ...look up "naive" . Could have the spelling wrong but I know what it means. Time for bed little ones Sweet dreams. There's no Boogie monster and Santa's on his way with his reindeer. Good night. Shhhhhhhh....... OK now that the children are asleep perhaps any mature adult viewers will see this stuff for what it is.---------a very ugly truth. This obviously doesn't happen everywhere or all the time but it DOES happen. What?.. aren't we allowed to talk about it? I agree with the "if anyone touches my rig..." Thats one reason hidden reserve pins are so popular. Too yukky for you---go back to sleep. Will you recognise this if it comes your way or will you have your head stuck firmly in the sand? Do you know what a sociopath is? Do you think I made them up too? It's easy to recognise when it gets close to you. These sociopaths just don't care enough. If you do care you'll be able to tell the difference. Oh and PLEASE get over the "shoot the messenger " bit it gets kinda boring. Issues ????? take your pick! The stars in my eyes blinded me to the truth Now the mud in my armpits feels much better.

Thank you.....I'm going more with that glad stuff. Reading the rig tampering thread turned me into a multi-headed mega- monster. Phew the pumpkin soup made me feel all warm inside again.....life is good life is good....off for a nice long bush walk in the forest of death .....sorry life. If you can't roar occassionally when can you do it?

in reply to 'Put the bong down.' I wish it was a pipe dream then I could wake up and keep pretending "It's all good". I genuinely hope & pray that you never have to experience such stuff for yourself .

sorry viewers got to get the hang of this new fangled electronic stuff ...my kero TV never causes me grief.

re...'Most of you have been quite cruel about this whole thing.' Most of us forget how sensitive relative beginners can be. It sounds like you may have been pushed along a little fast . Skydiving is so different and exciting when just starting that it takes a real effort to hold yourself back to a reasonable learning curve. Unfortunately you've learnt the hard way what can happen when it all gets a bit too fast. Canopy control incidents are very common due to the relatively high speed of modern canopies. 20 years ago most ram air canopies had less performance than modern 'student' canopies. There is some degree of 'duty of care' from your instructors. As you say it wasn't all your fault if your instructors put you on a canopy beyond your ability & experience level. Most of us longer term skydivers have had a few hard knocks and are probably less sensitive as a result. You sound like you really love the sport and hopefully with considerate guidance you'll end up doing what you want to do.

Just a little question.... Does the staff at the Ranch have a group of ambitious wannabes waiting in the wings? Like a pecking order type thing? Just wondering.. cause from the death game thread it sounds like they spend too much time on the ground. Blue skies ,

as this thread is so big .....thought a summary of dirty tricks would help the good guys stay safe and even expose some of the bad guys. Some of us are outside the lite or dark ..and guess what it's colourful out here.

Ah that's better..you should see how many pieces that pumpkin's in now. (7) The combination jobby.. This one is a goup cluster fluck. This invloves the systematic destruction of some-one's reputation & life. One whiff of this stuff and you're better off just going somewhere nice. Also if you don't trust the people you're jumping with take your dollars elsewhere. We are capitalists after all.and $$$ talk. The combination job often starts with an attempt to alter the victims beer (at this stage it's usually one victim at a time) with some nasty chemical. Depending on how organised the psychos are they may attempt a group drink spiking event where they end up being the only ones not chemically stupified.(and yes I have seen this done to a DZ.) In the confused aftermath bright chirpy ready to go people will step in and "TAKE OVER" . The old regulars will take a while to get over their chemically induced phychosis and the new people will say that they always were a bit crazy...etc Next time you go to your favorite hang-out on the DZ it'll be occupied by cold hearted strangers who look like they want to eat you. OK I've got another pumkin. Soup anyone?

(1)The old broken matchstick through the 3-ring loop. I saw this one pulled on a chappie who picked it up with a pre-jump check. For the next 6 months most people kept their rigs in their car-boots. (2) The drunken mid-night pack job of your rig by your "friends" while you sleep to get on the first load. This was done to me . I wondered why everyone was looking at me funny. It opened -I lived- those guys aren't around anymore. (3) Notes on the slider that you have a malfunction and should cut-away. This was a favourite of the 'base boys' . one parachute left ----what's your problem? (4)Reconnect the tandem side straps. Nicer phychos reconnect it to the safety straps. Nasty children reconnect it to some-one else or nothing. (5) Rig fiddling and whispering in your ear. The whisper goes something like " Man I saw (insert bozo's name ) playing with your rig while you were in the toilet. Of course he''ll wait to tell you on jump run. (6) The super glue down the reserve loop is just too bad and very hard to pick up on a pin check. This one is getting very lethal. Not my idea who you let on your DZ. (7) I'm sick of this shit and we're not even in freefall yet. Perhaps some-one else can share some experience. I've gotta go smash something.

in reply to ---(No fair! Bait and switch! Come on and post it. I wanna see cannibal rats! ) I knew this was the wrong forum!

In reply to 'very nice' Very thank you More pretty pwease ? religion and art can both be uplifting or..

Yep but save the Sun for last cause its shiny.

Most of the morbid sicko psycho chemical dependencies I've met on a DZ over time either 'see the light' and go rehab or end up with no-one wanting to play with them. No wonder when they dribble so badly. Some of these troubled children create incidents by freaking inexperienced jumpers out. You probably know some of their tricks. ...jump run rig fiddlers..and I mean they fiddle with other peoples rigs. When such groups are present on a DZ the incident rate often goes into overdrive. There's at least one thing they themselves are afraid of. ..being caught in the act and being exposed by a strong group of decent individuals who tell them to P off and take their hellish death cheating version of skydiving with them. If good people do nothing we all know who takes over.

The piccy is called Gladder (glass ladder ). It is where I would like to live for a while. The full size art work (it is CG) won a prize in an art show a year back and it still lifts me to the space where we're allowed to dream while awake. The future is a big place ...CU there.

Nice enough... I read it somewhere but that doesn't mean I believe it but it does sound likely to me. Here's another one you may like or not . There is a train of thought that thinks that human evolution is directly connected with the periodic chart of the elements. Bronze onto iron onto uranium and beyond if we don't blow ourselves up with the uranium. The higher elements (nuclear blow up stuff) apparently represent a barrier for insufficiently advanced civilisations. ie the dumbo ones blow themselves up thus saving the rest of the universe from having the same fate. It is possible that an earthbound civilisation manages to control itself enough so that it don't nuke the world. Mars got all blown up and look how pretty it is. Earth could easily suffer the same fate . The good thing about this element barrier thing is that the elements after the barrier start to get stable again and have specially wonderful properties that us small brains can hardly imagine. The word is that these higher elements can be manipulated by thought and high level emotions ---such as true unconditional love. Out there sheet eh? Then we get to pee off from this dust ball of death and get to see what else is out there. ....without taking all our little bombies with us... Pick me for that load

Ok Ok You wanna cannibal rat ya gotta make one yourself. Here's how, Put one male rat in a cage . Then add another male rat . Keep doing this until there are "too many rats in the cage". You'll know you've reached this point because they will kill and eat each other until there's only one left. That charming fellow is a cannibal rat. If he survives his wounds you can release him into a normal rat population and he will quite happily work his way through the whole rat population and then end up killing your cat and dog. Sorry about that vicious little bugger but he won't take ordinary bait and when he does a bit of mating things can really get out of hand. A good one to share with a redneck you don't like. sweet dreamies little rats.

Sounds like a job for Mrs palmer and her 5 daughters If she aint already booked out

My (Catholic) parents used to psycho-babble me on a Sunday night when I made it back from the DZ. I got to hear all the truisms I'd been fed since a child all over again and again. They were so sure I was going to kill myself that I started wondering about the depth of their own faith. Some time later after trying to sabotage my freedom (out of love for me?) for years I had to admit to myself that they needed the guidance of their religion because they had little faith ..even in their own son. By enjoying the presence of a higher force in skydiving I found my faith in life. Now my parents have learnt how to enjoy the life they have without forcing their children into religious slavery. I know that our Gods and Goddesses are everywhere. Feels good cause its real Edited for the Jpg ( beauty still gets me right there)

There is a train of belief that is kept out of the popular media that this planet suffers a major planet wide cataclysm every 10,000 - 12000 years. This is supposed to be due to the planet shifting on its axis a bit...wobbling as it does. This creates a swirling of the oceans and a re-alignment of the poles...magnetic and actual. The waves of destruction are powerful enough to tear all the vegetation from half a continent and dump it up against the nearest large mountain range. Coal deposits and fossil concentrations can be explained in this way. Previous wiped out civilisations often try to warn the next lot coming through(pyramids ,ancient star observatories ) but each time it happens we go back to being cave dwellers. Apparently this cycle is in its last 1000 years or so . Just a little something to look forward to.

The trouble is some o dose girls throw dem rocks at the next guy ....before he deserves it.

Big slob bullies that attack from behind kinda get me goin' a bit . Its really splashy if they insist on making things physical and that pasty fat pickin' on weakling thing really pisses me off.

whoops sorry wrong forum .Too nasty for us little children.....nice thoughts nice thoughts