Anvilbrother

Yea because Canada is perfect http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/dumas-family-sues-winnipeg-police-for-wrongful-death-1.637764 Matthew Dumas murdered by Canadian police for holding a screwdriver. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-officer-charged-with-murder-1.1155129 Canadian cops murder innocent black male. Officers charged with manslaughter, then second degree murder, only to be let off and the shooting called "accidental". http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/28/michael-eligon-toronto-police-shooting_n_4355479.html Ooh look another person shot and killed. A mental escape person holding a pair of scissors was shot and killed by Canadian police. http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=804912c6-2fcc-4c31-86d9-6905a0b52de3 Jeffrey Hughes, murdered by Canadian police for holding a bright orange flare gun. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/woman-shot-by-edmonton-police-had-fake-gun-1.923649 Berndatte Auger mentally ill person shot to death holding a fake replica gun. http://www.torontolife.com/informer/features/2014/08/14/the-killing-sammy-yatim/ Man shot 8 times for holding a 3 inch knife at the back of an empty street car. Cop first called for a taser and stated the situation could be contained, but then fired 8 times and killed the man. Cop was charged with second degree murder and is awaiting trial in 2015. I dont feel like doing the work for you anymore, here are a few more. -One killed holding pellet gun -One killed holding a table leg -One killed by being rolled over by a police car -The latest one was killed by holding a 2x4 piece of DEADLY lumber........ Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

. Aren't you from England? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Its funny to see that has changed, or was told to us incorrectly. When I was in school they told us it was never acceptable to start a sentence with and. In my daughters reader book this week the story about George Washington Carver is about 10 pages long, and in about every other paragraph a sentence starts with and. Weird. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

All of that is fucking complete horse shit kallend and you know it, something something obama, some thing something dems!!!! What really matters is the answer to what a Shit Ton is!! Ninja edit. Serious question. Do you think it is proper and acceptable to start a sentence with and. And if you dont why. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Ooh look amazon is back. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Not anymore just would like a fair fight with both hands...anywho it wasn't an attack he clearly ignores your side and just throws out side arguements. It's cool tho. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Your forgetting his debate tactics are to ignore common sense and only try to incite and infuriate people. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

You do know a homicide does not mean murder right? http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/stats_at-a_glance/hr_age-race.html This one is very telling http://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2013/07/22/youth_homicide_rates_by_race_in_the_us_106602.html Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Hunting weapons and the weapons used in police and gangs are COMPLETELEY DIFFERENT! How many drive by 410 shotgunings have you heard of? Ever seen a gangster use an under over pheasant gun on the streets of Compton? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

The differences I mentioned were all statistical facts obtained from the Internet concerning population, gun availability, police armament, and crime. It's not my impression I did not come up with the numbers. The only opinion I stated was about gangs and I provided supporting evidence on its impact in my community via a link. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

No when you have 5 times the cops to mess up and make a mistake, or go rogue you have a statistical advantage. Think of it this way. It's easier to vet, profile psychologically test and control 124k cops compared to 600k cops. If you have 600k cars on the road your more likely for one to be involved in an accident compared to if you only had 124k cars. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

So the fact that almost everyone in America has basically free rights to guns and most do. The fact that all cops carry guns. The fact that American intentional homicide rate is 2333% higher. Means nothing? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

We're talking about the differences in culture and guns and you start bringing up petty laws as the reason black people are being harassed and killed . Your article specifically targets loose cigarettes. Well I hate to break it to you john but it's illegal to sell loose cigarettes in England too. http://www.tobaccoretailersalliance.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=19 Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I laid out the differences. You choose to ignore them. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Well going by the intentional homicided rates I posted you must have some really polite gangs. Look at those numbers and tell me if we are the same why are the numbers COMPLETELY different? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Thats bullshit john and you know it! How many East coast/West coast/Gulf south rap wars does England have? You got any Crips, Bloods, Hells angels, MS13, KKK, Black Panthers? Here in my TOWN there are 10 gangs, here is a nice article on it. http://theadvocate.com/home/985563-125/tracking-street-gangs.html Thats not all of it just did not want to post a wall of text on here. How about slavery? Did 45 million of your citizens come from people that were treated like actual work animals, and continue to feel they are oppressed, and picked on by police? You might "watch" the gang movies, but thugs, and gangs here live that life, and over time have been taught that thats the only way to live is the street life by their elders, and media. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Ooh I dont know maybe because our population is over 300 million, England is about 53 million, and Germany about 80 million. There is about 600,000 full time officers in the united states, 130,000 in England(and wales), and about 240,000 in Germany US 1 cop for every 500 citizens England 1 cop for every 407 citizens Germany 1 cop for every 333 citizens Even if the cop per citizen is less but about the same for the other countries, which would theoretically limit your exposure to a cop. Your chance of having a cop on the force making a mistake is higher due the statistical advantage of having 2-5 times the amount of cops than the other countries. In the US we have been able to legally own just about any type of firearm forever. Gun ownership legislation in England is tightly controlled in some cases only allowing shooting clubs to own certain types of firearms. Gun legislation in Germany is considered among the strictest gun control in the world. Private ownership of firearms was not allowed until after 1956, and you can only carry them loaded on private property. Any other time it has to be unloaded and locked into individual cases. CHL type permits are issued on an as needed basis to carry in public but is only good for 3 years and is usually only issued to security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians. IIRC In England and Germany you are not even able to have things like certain knives, switch blades, nunchucks, and other type of even novelty weapons. In the us all cops carry weapons. In England most cops do not carry guns at all, and only about 7,000 of them have actual firearms training. In Germany after 1945, even German police officers were initially not allowed to carry firearms until the late 1950's. The intentional homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants of the US is 14,827 in 2012, UK is 653 per year in 2011, and 662 in Germany from 2011. I would think everyone is able to see the different types of cultures in the us, and how that fits into each country, and the outcome of that culture vs an armed police force. So we have more police, they have guns, we have guns, a history of not trusting governmental entities, a citizenship that shoots at cops, fights with cops, and trusts cops less, and a nation that commits homicide on each other at a rate way higher than the other two. Can you finally see how you cant compare their numbers of police shooting to the US and say "why are they not killing as many as we are?" the circumstances are completely different. Im not claiming this as 1000% researched, and I reserve the right to be corrected if anyone can find more current or relevant information. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

This was linked to us before for research into the justified vs unjustified by I believe Kallend or Billvon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States Also there are/have been journalists researching on their own to come up with numbers using all internet articles they can find and have come up with numbers that agree with the wiki at 400-700 homicides. Thats shootings period that includes justified, and unjustified. By looking at all the ones in the wiki its clear to see the percent of unjustified is in the 10% area. The rest were actively shooting at the cops, hostages, driving a car at the cops etc. There was also a guy by the last name Smith that did research into the topic of justified vs unjustified, and came up with a percentage of like 7.5 that was unjustified out of the 400+ total shootings, and most of all those cops were already found guilty, the rest are still in court. Look it up. I already know your answer as it is usually never good enough, and will go something like this. "The FBI doesnt even track police shootings OMG" (and I agree they should), and "Well thats your interpretation of the data from a shit site like wikinerdshittya" (which I say ok we all can have our opinion) Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Ok let me sum it up. Whats going on now is not right, but 0 isnt gonna happen, so what would they consider acceptable is what I am trying to say. Also dont confuse that their "best practices" is working due to what they are doing, and not all the other circumstances. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

How is my post BS, are you saying that something that involves humans, firearms, and criminals can be resolved into a situation where 0 human lives will be taken in a year? That is exact what I stated, and I am not saying im not for trying to get to that number but it will NEVER happen. There will not be a year where some cop somewhere looses his mind for whatever reason and kills someone. We also dont have a situation where tens of thousands are being killed, so is the 500-700 number high, just about right, or normal for the United states? Comparing our numbers to any other country does not work. The gun laws, history, lack of respect, and culture are usually too different to say look here they can do it in _____why aren't we. Also you have no clue what I have been through, and how I have reacted in these situations already, so keep it to yourself. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I understand that bill, but do you think there will ever be a year with 0 skydiving deaths? Thats the type of voice these people are speaking with. Im all for 0 deaths with cops, and skydiving, but im being realistic dont you agree that anything having to do with humans will NEVER be perfect. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I dont know the question was yours to answer not his. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Would you say that to his face? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

What do you fucking want 100% accuracy? Me too, that's not gonna happen when humans are involved against other humans who have been taught to be thugs, and resist officers. On the other side you dont always catch the crazy cops that have been around a while, or the new cop that made a mistake on his first high risk high stress situation. Is just not gonna happen period. Its the culture, the times, the country, the nature of what your asking. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Why do you feel it necessarily to include snide remarks to everyone? Do you do this in person also, or only from the anonymity of computer? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,