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Instead of lumping all of Islam into one entity, we (including our media) should start effectively delineating them, e.g. "Fundamentalist Church of Sunnis" "Modern Church of Sunnis" "Fundamentalist Church of Shiites" "Modern Church of Shiites" etc., I don't know if that's ridiculous or not. What do think? We are all engines of karma

These look very interesting. I will be reading them. Thanks for sharing. We are all engines of karma

I'm not sure how to reply here, Darius. You have shown yourself in our prior discussions to be a thoughtful person. I've actually learned some things from our conversations. I understand there is alot of hatred in the Muslim world around Israel. I will not sit here and tell you I understand that situation. My current understanding is it's been going on for thousands of years, and intolerance on both sides continues to this day. That's not a fair statement. At least we're not cutting children's heads off with knives, as is being done by Islamic extremists. That's correct. Because of fatwahs issued by Islamic religious authorities that were actually acted on. The reasons for the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq have been discounted. If those peaceful Sunnis and Shiites could start living together, I'd be happy to see us get out. Unfortunately, their leaders aren't advocating that. I'm more than happy to discuss this in another thread. To reiterate, my point here is: Islam is not a peaceful tolerant religion as practiced today. It's needs a reformation at its highest levels within the Middle Eastern community. We are all engines of karma

It Islamic religious authorities that are advocating the violence. Thank goodness only a small fraction of Muslims are acting on these never ending streams of violent fatwahs. That's the issue being discussed here. We are all engines of karma

At least they're not out killing people in the name of their religion. Well, not at this point in history. While being founded by Christians, I don't see the US as a Christian country, nor do I wish it to be so. I very much do approve of the use of the word God in our principles. That doesn't mean Christian. I'm not a Christian, nor do I approve of the views you highlighted. But, they're not out there advocating the violent destruction of non-Christians. We are all engines of karma

The US isn't the only country that does this. All major powers do. Clearly there is a market there for Islamic countries to protect themselves from each other. I'm going to call this a bit off topic thread. Happy to continue discussing it in another thread. DItto with this, also. I'm not dismissing the thought, but it would be better to discuss this in another thread. We are all engines of karma

LOL! http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/us/15net.html?ex=1350100800&en=9d040360579f3a9b&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss You have not kept this thread on track at all. To reiterate, the intended track of this thread is: In current practice, Islam is not a religion of peace and tolerance. It needs a reformation, and badly so. You have directed our attention to a web-site that for all intentions seems very moderate and rather interesting. There is nothing in your criticism of islam that is reflected in the editorial of this website. I can believe this is a moderate jihadi web site, compared to the other web site discussed in the NYTimes article. I have to disagree with your assessment of the content. Maybe that's the best we're going to do in this discussion. We are all engines of karma

That topic is worthy of another thread. My current understanding is alot of Palestinians left of their "own will", after their religious authorities told them to get out or be killed because they shouldn't live with Jews. Personally, I see this as yet another example of Islam's lack of tolerance with other cultures. But, again, that's a very nasty situation there in general, and it been going on for thousands of years. I personally think the whole situation is ridiculous. I don't see that as a fair statement. I can understand how some people can think that, but in reality the US can make much more money focusing on free markets and growing them. Engaging in war doesn't bring nearly the returns that pursuit of free markets generates. What would be in this for the US? Then, why are all the Sunni regimes scared to death of this thought? Using nuclear weapons is not a practical approach, and our leaders know this. We are all engines of karma

I used to think so, also. I no longer do. The observation that swayed my opinion was the seemingly never ending series of "fatwahs" issued by Islamic religious authorities. In general, they actively encourage followers of Islam to kill people that don't follow Islam. Granted, only a fraction of Muslims are acting on these edicts, but the fact they were even issued by these authorities shows Islam is not a religion of peace, nor a tolerant one. So, have any violent fatwahs been issued by religous authorities in your country? Iran continues to call for the complete destruction of Israel. Uhm, isn't that advocating the death of non-Muslims? Get caught on the street during prayer time in Riyadh, and you're going to have a violent experience. Even Shiites (Muslism) are actively discriminated against in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia continues to actively export its virulent brand of Islam. If they wanted to keep it to themselves, I'm all for that. Doesn't appear that's the case. Nor do we touch Egypt, to whom we also give billions of dollars a year. If the US wanted to wipe out the Middle East, it wouldn't take long. The fact that we haven't already disproves this point. We are all engines of karma

This site was featured in an article in the NYTimes. That's where I came across it. With my regards to "lack of research", as I stated earlier, there is plenty of evidence available to show that Islam is not a peaceful religion, nor is it a tolerant one, in practice. What other religion is actively exporting violence in the name of their religion? When our country is being attacked, we need to effectively defend ourselves. Our country IS being attacked by extremists primarily funded by the "Central Bank" of Saudi Arabia. And, this bank is funding extremists as an endeavor of religious charity. This is not a culture that you can negotiate with. To keep the thread on the track that I intended - my point is Islam is not a religion that can live with other cultures. They can't even live with their own "sub-cultures" (i.e., Sunni vs. Shia). Islam needs a reformation. We are all engines of karma

Agreed. But, Christians had a reformation, a long time ago. Islam needs one, also, IMO. Yes, I read the westerners comments. There were a couple of others that I can't find (just went back to look) that were pretty virulent. On the RHS of the web page are other listings (e.g., "Living Amongst the Kuffar is NOT Permissible ") that don't open for me, I'm assuming because I didn't sign into the site. At present, there's a thread going titled " sawing off the head of a person in the name of our Creator" (http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?p=124677#post124677) that contains yet more virulent talk by Muslims about non-Muslims. I think there is plenty of evidence to show that Islam is NOT a religion of peace to a significant number of its believers. Likewise, it's incredibly intolerant. Prime example being Saudi Arabia. You're not even allowed to be practice a religion besides Islam in that country. I'm pretty shocked that authorities have not shut down these sites. We are at war, and it was started on America with the attack on the Twin Towers. I believe we are in a culture clash, and we as a country need to see it as such. The concept of proportional force by our country at this time is ridiculous. We need to "kill the money", and do so aggressively. On our side, if this war was really about the oil, we'd own the oil in about 1 week. We are all engines of karma

http://www.islamicnetwork.com/ Interesting. Any thoughts out there? This is not a culture that wants to live with other cultures. We are all engines of karma

If you claim you're a skydiver, you can expect to pay a $2/$1000 of coverage surcharge. For a $1MM policy, that doubles the cost of a 100 jump season. You're now paying $40/jump instead of $20. We are all engines of karma

This is a tremendous site. Many thanks to the person who put it together. We are all engines of karma

A friend of mine recently relayed a King Air story from some time back. Lost the left engine just after take off. If the jump door had been opened, the plane would have gone down and everyone but first out would have died. Fortunately, the pilot told everyone to stay in their seats (and with a little help from Scooter, they did). The plane landed safely. Moral of the story here - DO WHAT THE PILOT SAYS! If you're not comfortable doing that, don't get on the plane. We are all engines of karma

It's not as easy as it looks... We are all engines of karma

Beautiful pictures! We are all engines of karma

I love that site. I try and read it every day. We are all engines of karma

Don't stall close to the ground. We are all engines of karma

Depends on how close to the ground you are We are all engines of karma

That's what I love about this place. Lots of knowledge, and people who are more than willing to share it We are all engines of karma

I'm a skinny guy, too I thought his body position looked good, considering he's a skinny guy. I'm still trying to get my long arms in some position where I don't look like a frigging spider in freefall We are all engines of karma

What's wrong with Dan's flying style? We are all engines of karma

Thanks for your input, and for serving our country!

I can't recall ever having seen a positive commentary like this on a US news channel. Has anyone seen anything like this on a US news channel? http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/2007370106.aspx I expect stories like this can be found on a very regular basis. We are all engines of karma