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Hey snowmman... I KNOW WHO YOU ARE! You're that guy from Fargo Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Reasoning and facts are not the same thing, reasoning with known or most likely variables might lead you to the most likely outcome and that is certainly a solid lead to follow... but it still is not the same as a "fact" (if you knew the facts you wouldn't need to follow the reasoning to get to a practical theory.. right?) Yes I'm being pedantic, but theories, no matter how solid, are simply not facts till proven so, and there just may be factors out there that you haven't thought of (yeah I know you can't think of what they might be, but that's exactly my point). Anyway, you got the kool-aid offer Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Even more bizarre though nothing to do with this case is that McNally offered to buy the originals of those Prophet Mahomed cartoons that Danish cartoonist did... http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/cartoonist-opposes-his-work-being-hijacked-rejects-offer_10026504.html Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

That is interesting... i'd also highlight: while he survived, he also appeared to have lost the money in the air... Ckret, can we presume people like this were all checked to see that they were not DBCooper? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

snowmman, there has been a fair amount of discussion about the bundles, in the bag etc - it is there if you go back and look. as for safecracker, he gets offended quite easily when people don't take his scientific deductions as gospel (SCPLF, don't get offended by that now! ) But seriously, i don't like the "it's been said before read the thread" approach you've been getting, because between the threads there must be way over 1000 posts by now... however, the subject has been discussed a lot. someone, can't remember who, even went to the trouble of finding out what the most likely bag the money would have been in was. somewhere earlier... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You are new and very knowledgable - must be FBI or expert who has been asked to engage. I think the fact that you have said what I have tried to say to the FBI is great. Maybe he is very knowledgeable, not to detract however his "deductions" in this sense come simply from reading the transcripts... I was also quite surprised to see the whole debate going on there, but there they are. Though the transcripts seem new to a couple of us here, I'm sure they have been available to those who went looking for a much longer time... I like the theory about Cooper being a disgruntled Boeing engineer - and the rest of his theory too ... think anyone is gonna go sifting through all that mud? [sits back with popcorn] .... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Larry, we know from what you have posted before and the transcripts that Tina saw him with the "knapsack" around his waist looking like he was ready to jump - I presume it has been confirmed that he was still wearing his suit at that stage? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

a couple more snippets from the transcript. 305 was asked to indicate if they went above 10K or "where the visibility is good" (i presume meaning clear of cloud) as there would be people following - i did not see any indication that either of these was subsequently communicated before the jump. Not sure if one can conclude that cloud cover continued; at 7.45pm there was an exchange about the weather:"it's fog and haze". (The next mention of visibility that I can find was after 10pm when they were approaching Reno.) And again, it's been mentioned but questions keep coming up - confirms that "denomination of bills not important". So despite some people thinking he planned this meticulously - maybe not, given indications he couldn't fit all the bills in where he wanted to. Something quizzical? They mentioned the hijacker boarded at PDX then later there is a comment that "The passenger that boarded at PDX had previous arrest for drunkenness". Anyone heard this before or have any idea about it - it implies they thougt they knew who he was?? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

There has been some debate about when the pressure bump happened vs when it was communicated, etc on these forums. According to the transcript, at 8.12 they noted some "oscillations" in the cabin "must be doing something with air stairs" SCPLF, if altitude doesn't make a difference then what was your point meant to be in the first place? Things look different from the air than they do on the ground. Some things are easier to identify than others. Some things are easier to identify at lower altitudes than higher ones. As Quade points out it's all irrelevant anyway as they were flying above the cloud cover. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Do you really think you could do that from 10K? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I found Stratostar's musings pretty intriguing I must admit... but no matter how much you want to mislead the FBI (and I agree with ckret that they would have suspected jumpers no matter which rig he took) I really can't see anyone (with experience) in that situation choosing a single system over a dual one. In that sense, ckret's supposition of someone exposed to canopies but maybe not a jumper tallies - maybe? I also seem to recall someone earlier hypothesised that possibly someone who worked with dispatching paratroopers but didn't actually jump themselves (i can't remember what the term used was? loadmaster?) as a possibility. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Indeed? I wonder if she could be bothered apologising for jumping down my throat that way then. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You may be confusing me with someone else, I have never before put that assumption down in writing, so you can't possibly have clarified it for me before. Sorry for taking your other sentence literally, I honestly thought what you said was what you meant. I also fail to see where i made a malicious "dig". The first was simply an example that there is sometimes more than one explanation for an event, the second bit as i said...just taking at face value what you said. Sorry if that somehow came across as malicious. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

But does it matter then? Surely the important thing would be to have the right knowledge at the right time i.e. in time to use it for the hijacking. (What I know about skydiving now wouldn't have meant a thing for a caper 5 years ago when I knew nothing.) In any case, the argument would still be stronger if someone could actually show he did any of this stuff rather than just remembering a sentence fragment from decades ago. Maybe Weber suddenly left CO and his 'good' job because he was embezzling the firm he was working for (which is why he seemed to be doing so well) and realized he was about to be found out, and needed to get out of there fast. Skyjack has already slightly backtracked on her conviction it was Duane anyway, it now includes "or at least knew who Cooper was" (or words to that effect). Which I presume comes from the "that's where cooper walked out of the woods" comment. But if there is a corpse under the canopy they found, then he never did walk iout of the woods... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I don't think there was any paragliding in those days. AFAIK that sport started when people started using square parachutes to launch off mountains with - i have never heard of any paragliding under rounds, ever. (So he may have known about paragliding, but that would have years later?) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I don't recall what that hearsay was, or what form the "exposure" took? I do know there was a lot of effort made to try put him in a parachute, in any shape and form (the supposed prison smoke jumping program which apparently never existed, for example) with absolutely no success. When you say 3 suspects with experience, are you including McCoy? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

There's been a lot of discussion on this (if you go back through this and the locked thread) on which I would tend for obvious reaons to prefer the opinions of the older experienced jumpers who either have experience jumping rounds, or jumping a jet, or both. The consensus seems to have been that not just the jump but the conditions would have been very difficult, even for an experienced jumper - it has also been pointed out that for example a relatively minor landing injury such as a broken ankle could end up being fatal under the circumstances. A trained paratrooper would have had experience in jumping with a load, in bad weather, into rough terrain. An experienced skydiver could have made it if luck came together. I haven't seen any of the guys who should know who thinks an inexperienced jumper had a good chance of survival. Now add to that the 2 recent opinions that if it was indeed a 28 stuffed into an NB6 it would have been a very hard pull. There are still people who seem to think, despite all that the experienced jumpers have tried to give their honest opinion, that a novice could have got lucky and made it. For those of us who trust experience in this one, we are then left with the fact that there are very few named suspects who would have had a reasonable chance of survival, the two being Christiansen and Mayfield. Christiansen seems to be disqualified on the basis of description. Mayfield..there has been a big debate, I can't quite remember what the main 'disqualification' criteria were, but he certainly doesn't seem to have suddenly had a lot more money than he had before. When Jo Weber first came onto these forums it was with the express purpose of trying to place Duane in a parachute - that is something that has still not been done (and seems to sometimes have been rather conveniently forgotten along the way). If any of the older jumpers has in fact suggested a novice could have made it and I have missed that -I apologise, and please correct me if that's the case. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

From a local case, I understand that it is possible to extract DNA from old bones but that it is quite a tricky process. I'm sure there is absolutely no chance of fingerprints!! Edited to add - a quick google search yielded this abstract - if they can do it on ancient bones, a 30-odd year old corpse should be doable!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'm not trying to dump on you after all the rest of this thread, but I just wanted to point out that that is one helluva scary statement. It also got me thinking a bit - we are (or should be) very aware of hard decks etc but that is certainly a lot easier to be aware of when you open with a malfunction, than if you induce one later on. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

One more thing... if there is a harness at least down there, does anyone have any idea if it would still be possible to test for DNA after all that time? If there is a body presumably they could. In either case... IF it was one of Cooper's canopies of course... it would be interesting to see if any DNA that might be extracted, matches that found on the tie. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

This point of view seems to be getting consensus among those who have jumped these canopies. Be interesting to see if there is indeed a body down there that was the reason the canopy couldn't be pulled all the way out... Of course if it happens to be the dummy... it tells us very little more than what we already knew - that the dummy got chucked out the plane at some point, and that the flight line was where the FBI thought it was. Does anyone have any idea who might have owned this piece of land in 1971? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Lots of people have claimed lots of things and a few have believed them passionately. There is a VERY persuasive argument on another board arguing that Mayfield was Cooper. (Not saying I buy it - but that it is very well argued. That board by the way also suggested Duane Weber was in prison when the skyjack took place.) "Sherlock" would like to see more than conjecture and ramblings somewhere. Just because people believe something doesn't make it the truth. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

that doesn't negate the fact that there was a discussion about Cossey in the original Cooper thread (I am referring to the one that got locked, that Ckret was part of) in which it was clear he was alive and where he was. I think the OP more likely to have been one of the journalist crew who broke the story - also as his post looking for Cossey was posted in a number of forums. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.