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Question... AFF students often take a while to set up for a linked exit, in an emergency exit situation do you really have time for this? Or is there a "shortcut" linked exit that you use? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

That won't last very long! You'll come to the day when the door opening is 'normal'.. and very soon after that you'll find yourself impatient for the door to open and the sound of that wind and the rush of cold air that fills the plane

I usually relax a lot more after 1K as well. But it's not an odd thought at all - read the incidents forum. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Interestingly, in SA our BSRs do actually list deployment altitude: "Except on demonstration jumps every parachutist shall ensure that his main canopy is fully inflated not lower than 2200ft above ground level. Out of interest, are there any other countries out there who do as well? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Not so unique, I think something similar happens to low timers who rent gear - never sure who will jump it next so (if they aren't packers) it gets packed by a packer. The problem is this: you never practise packing, so you never get to do it fast. Then you start getting in on dives with other guys and you want to make the next load with them and you don't have 45 mins to waste packing so you get a packer to pack it... and so it goes on, till 6 months later you realise you can't remember how to pack it properly. I would suggest that you take some time out in the evenings to pack your parachute a couple of times and at least get the practise in that way. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

This news article may or may not be relevant to this thread. http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080410/NEWS/804100379/1033/NEWS&template=kart Cloverdale has suspended the lease of a skydiving company at the city airport following an injury to one of its instructors and safety complaints from an ex-employee. "We are asking for certifications that they are in compliance, that they have parachute packers certified by the Federal Aviation Administration and instructors who meet U.S. Parachute Association standards," said Nina Regor, Cloverdale's city manager. The company, Skydive San Francisco, also is being investigated by the FAA, which is acting on a complaint from an employee who was fired. A co-owner and manager of the company, Dee Jones, did not return calls for comment. The other co-owner, Colin Medalie, said he could not comment, citing a court order barring him from interfering while control of the company is decided in a divorce. The company has been operating at Cloverdale Municipal Airport for 12 years, offering tandem jumps for $199. In the past year, there have been three injuries, two to the same skydiving instructor and one to a customer, according to a current worker and the ex-employee who complained to the city and the FAA. On Saturday, Cloverdale ordered the company to suspend operations until it provided proof that it met the requirements of the lease, Regor said. The lease requires that main and emergency parachutes be packed by FAA certified riggers, the company be a member of the U.S. Parachute Association and the company meet association safety requirements. In the notice to Jones and Medalie, the city asks the company to address allegations from ex-employee David Mikesell that parachutes were packed by someone without proper certification, instructors did not have association ratings, alcohol was consumed during parachuting operations and airplanes were not insured. FAA spokesman Ian Gregor confirmed the agency is investigating, but said he could not talk about the complaint.You can reach Staff Writer Bob Norberg at 521-5206 or bob.norberg@pressdemocrat.com Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, with respect, I think many people on this board would not consider you as objective - from many of your posts. Including the fact that every time someone pops up with an alternative theory you immediately attack them, accusing them of being x y or z author etc - not exactly listening to all the arguments. As for affording a private detective: imagine how the reputation of someone would be enhanced by finally cracking the DB Cooper case. If you could convince one that your case has merit I'm sure you could find someone willing to do the legwork. If you truly believe it would take someone over a year 24/7 to go through everything - well then surely you can understand why the FBI won't. I've seen more than one post on other boards lambasting the FBI for spending any energy on this case when there are many current cases that need to be solved. That's a point of view which you clearly are not willing to accept, and that alone points to the lack of objectivity here. We understand this is very personal for you, but there is a bigger picture here too. And again you are asking for someone to prove that he was not Cooper. That is not where the burden of proof currently lies. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I disagre entirely Jo. Go back and read your own posts as to what you say you "need" people to find out what Duane did or didn't do at this or that time etc - that is precisely what a private detective can do that you clearly haven't been able to. And agree with ltdiver about the objectivity aspect (or is that what you're afraid of?). Sitting here on this forum continually carping about the FBI isn't doing anything to help anyone, least of all yourself. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

wasn't aimed at you. well, maybe one or two of your posts but you are not the worst culprit!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I read most of them - I must admit the long rambling ones often get skimmed over though - but I don't always open the attachments. And I haven't listened to the show. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Did I miss this on here... has anyone posted the pic of the "new" suspect? (I believe this is the guy they were talking about on the radio there) at first i thought "nah"... but the hair and the ears are very similar, lol! Problem is we know (according to all I have read) that sketches always get something wrong, and we won't know what that is. Anyway, the comparison doesn't look all that convincing to me but thought I'd post it anyway. By the way (sorry this has been a long thread and i forget things)... has it been discussed that Florence apparently redictated a sketch in 1988 that was very different to the original? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

So do you believe Steve Fosset is still alive too? Steve Fosset is not a wanted man. The real Cooper, if alive, would still be in hiding. You're being disingenuous. You said you don't believe he died till someone can show you a body. Nothing to do with hiding. Everything to do with an example of how you can have an intensive search for someone and still not find them. Safe, the conspiracy theory bit wasn't aimed necessarily at you, it was just a general comment. It's not even a proper conspiracy theory - just someone having something on one FBI agent to help conceal a crime. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You see, this is where my cynic-meter goes screaming off the scale. The guy was a hotel concierge. How many people did he see passing through every day? Yet a guy he met once briefly, he can absolutely positively ID from a photo he sees, what, over 30 years later? As for your comment about Weber's circumstantial evidence being the best in your opinion... that's the problem with circumstantial evidence isn't it? Other people think other suspects fit the circumstantial evidence best. Without any real evidence anywhere, everyone can go round in circles all day long and nothing leads anywhere. Personally, if I want a conspiracy theory btw, I much prefer the one where Himmelsbach was in league with Mayfield Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

So do you believe Steve Fosset is still alive too? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Someone before implied this and I will STATE ONE more time. The last time Duane was incarcerated was FROM April of 1966 and his sentence was COMMUTED on MARCH 1968. THIS WAS HIS LAST INCARCERATION. I have written documentation and tapes - NO ONE knows where Duane was from Nov 1971 til Feb of 1972. No one has provided me with any solid evidence that Duane was NOT Cooper. NOT one. I am asked if I have looked at the possibility that Duane was NOT Cooper - that I am not being objective. You missed the point on both those issues, Jo. The first point was that people state things as ABSOLUTE FACT on the internet - like you just did. All they are, until people provide proof, is just that - statements on the internet. Don't take this personally, but why should someone believe person A over person B if all you have are 2 contradictory statements?? (By the way you have stated that no-one knows where Duane was from Nov 71 to Feb 72, this means that you actually can not prove he was not in jail, especially under an alias, if you can't show where he was....) As for the 2nd point, everyone in America except Cooper was not Cooper. To take your argument to the extreme, why shouldn't anyone suddenly start demanding that the FBI prove anyone else wasn't? This is absolutely NOT the FBI's job. Like I said before - you need a private detective to get the answers you want. No-one has provided you with any solid evidence Duane was not Cooper; you have not provided anyone with any "solid evidence" that he was. Stalemate. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, this is precisely what I mean... why on earth should ckret run around tracking down other unsolved crimes from that era? can't you see what a colossal waste of time and energy that is to an FBI agent that has plenty current cases on the go? i'm sure newspaper records are scanned and microfiched in and the info is out there somewhere. like i said before, rather than badgering ckret unfairly you need to get yourself a private investigator. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

OK, admittedly $17K is a lot more than you had first implied to me in the PM ...although I'm still not sure why the cars had to be bought for cash. no record of a loan is all Jo says...maybe the records weren't kept. A cash receipt would be more convincing than no record of a loan. Jo doesn't really confirm the $12K at all, that seems to be secret, how it got out in the first instance is beyond me - but it certainly doesn't appear to have been accounted for in any way in Duane's tax through inflated income or whatever. Then again, while $17K is a lot, Christiansen bought a whole new house not long after the hijacking. Hmm. We only tend to get things from one particular angle on this particular forum and there are other angles out there. The other angles include for example that Duane Weber was in prison under one of his Collins aliases at the time of the hijacking. Not true? I don't know. I'm sure it will be vehemently denied on this particular forum, just as it is given as fact on another. All that tells me is that one can take very little at face value off an internet forum in the absence of any evidence. And I think is why Ckret keeps on getting frustrated here - he keeps on being "expected" or in fact ordered in some instances to go on major investigations on the sniff of a suspicious oilrag. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Thanks Jo. I don't see what could amount to any particular huge overstatement of income in those numbers as per Safe's posts though? Buying new cars... $5000 at a time? Yes it's a lot of money for those days. Were they paid for in cash? Could $5000 conceivably have been stolen during some other crime? All I'm trying to get at is that there is definitely more than one theory that fits the facts, such as they are. Sorry to be cynical but I am not seeing anything major convincing here, other than possibly some kind of evidence Duane was a criminal, which is already a matter of record. Incidentally I think this may have been discussed before, but what would be the volume of $200K in $20 bills? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yeah, and the amount seems to have ballooned in the interim too. In Safe's PM to me (in January) he stated So it was more the $1300 "extra" I had in mind than these new figures of ten times that. Of course all my sources on this come from Safe himself, so I am even more confused. None of that tallies with the total $5000 in joint income declared he mentioned before. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

(sigh)... Safe, you know darn well that you are misrepresenting me here (go back and read your PMs). My point about the tax returns was that the expenditure amounted to way, way, way less than $200K as did the "extra" income. I have almost no doubt he did it to hide criminal activity, but it could very easily have been some rather minor fraud/robbery rather than the DB Cooper hijack. In fact given the amounts I would say that this is a far more likely explanation. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Inspiration for the scene where Hannibal Lecter meets Clarice Starling for the first time? Sorry Ckret. I trust you wear good shoes - and real ties.

It's always suspicious when someone gets banned and then suddenly a new poster appears. However, it could just be coincidence... like much else on this forum fwiw, there was a question about suicide and thanksgiving/holidays and i don't think it actually led anywhere, but i happened to come across an article on snopes earlier saying that it is a common belief - but false: http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Just don't bring it to SA to jump! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Well, Bill maybe slightly harsh there however I have to say "superwoman" that between work and skydiving AND a family i have very little time for anything else. i don't skydive as often as i would if i didn't have family commitments, but i do know i need to flare, and i do know (i have just posted in another forum on this topic) how hard it is to fly on risers being a small woman and sometimes you need to, and i'm not a very sporty person but realised my arm strength and fitness in general needed to be better to be a safer skydiver. so i leave for gym at 5.30am to be able to work out for an hour and still be showered etc in time to be at work by 7.30. Time is where you find it. You don't even have to go to gym, why not buy some weights and do some armwork while you watch TV in the evenings?? Anyway... according to your profile we are the same weight, I may even be marginally lighter. I have never had problems flaring anything from my original skymaster 280 all the way down to my current 150, though I did find the zp-exe and sabres need a bit more muscle than the pilots. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Sure but I think you missed the point, from what I understood they were immediately looking for an outsider even before suspicion of Skakel. The point was that people don't think it could be "our kind" who do bad things - in terms of the Himmelsbach quote. btw among those who think Mayfield is a better suspect than anyone else, there is an interesting line of thinking that Himmelsbach was in on it. It's quite a pity in a broader sense I think (for those of us without agendas anyway) that the people backing "other horses" seem to have been hounded out of here (like awsee in the other thread), no-one has any better "evidence" than anyone else and there are some interesting other theories out there. it's not like there is only one suspect in the case, as much as certain people would like us to believe that. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.