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Sure but the redactions are obvious - words physically blacked out. I don't think it changes the conclusion on that subject at all. And no-one said it was a competition! By the way has anyone figured out which time zone the 7pm for the rapture is applicable? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Or so it appears. We assume. You assume. You have no proof that was the case, it just appears that was the case because, it appears no one had an instantaneous answer ... or was willing to speak on record? We assume. 377's version gels with the published transcripts between the cockpit and NWA: neither the flight engineer nor NWA knew. This was transcript so not about willing to speak "on the record" or not. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

That part is speculation . No, Jo. It's ALL speculation. Not just that part. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I took Jo's advice to go back and read some history. Doesn't quite gel with her view of the origins of smoke jumping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokejumper#History Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Of course it would be a waste of time repeating everything you've said.... As 377 noted, we are not interested in wild leaps of logic and wishful thinking. All you have is wild conjecture, not a shred of evidence of anything that has been discussed here....other than that Duane was a crook. You'll forgive us if we don't hold our breath for the promised revelation. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

(laugh) anyone who buys books surely knows there are often more than one book with the same title. In fact ' learning to breathe' is an example. I didn't think 'into the wild' was anywhere near as good as 'into thin air'. Read both of them a very long time ago. Blevins I am surprised you were surprised considering you are in the industry! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

This is a fun introduction to the subject. I saw the author speak last year; excellent. http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/006135323X Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Quote Orange, Please elaborate on what you call "behavioral finance/economics". Some of us are not always hip to these modern terms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics There was some discussion of cognitive bias, confirmation bias, anchoring etc which is what I was thinking of here... I think these factors have been mentioned in this thread before... Can find descriptions of all these on wiki too

Jon Krakauer's book is about climbers dying on Mount Everest during an expedition that went very badly south. I thought that was an excellent book. So was "Learning to breathe" by Andy Cave. Mountain climbers and skydivers seem to have a lot of the same drivers. Btw I attended a couple of lectures on behavioral finance/economics today. Some of it made me think of some posters on this thread :) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Wow. I find this post kind of offensive. Jo, you must be the only person in the US who thinks the FBI should rather have been wasting time on Cooper than trying to find a terrorist who killed thousands of people and was planning on killing more. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Actually, when Jo arrived on the scene I was quite open to the possibiity of Duane being Cooper. (Yes indeed you can go back and check my posts in the first part of the old thread, even was one of the people helping her find stuff out). As this has progressed I have come to the conclusion - largely based on her own "evidence" and conspiracy theories - that he almost certainly wasn't. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I think Jo's real problem with books is not that others may (I said may, Blevins ) make money out of the case, but this: 1) books have to lay out at least some form of a cogent, logical argument to support a particular suspect. 2) There are no books (that I am aware of) on Duane 3) There are no other forms of cogent, logical argument to support Duane as a suspect 4) Heaven forbid, anyone should actually think someone other than Duane was Cooper. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Not excluding the scenario that the "escape" may have been to the hereafter that very night. Or...out of the country. Both scenarios have been discussed extensively here. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Exactly. And the same goes for the DNA... 1. Please check the DNA. Damn it, why won't they just check the DNA? 2. But the results don't really matter cause the existing DNA is probably compromised. The DNA is more interesting; so far we only have your option 2 to play with. BUT ... if they actually do get a match on a DNA sample... then it's a whole new ball game. So far on the fingerprint side, am I correct that they have a lot of fingerprint samples but cannot be sure that any of them were Cooper's? So same thing - no fingerprint match is not conclusive but if they find someone whose prints were on the plane it becomes a lot more interesting. Of course, should we get both some DNA and fingerprint matches, then we are all systems go. Only the completely wilfully blind would continue to deny their pet suspect in the face of such evidence. And yes, a hot $20 in the suspect's possession would be nice too. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The fact that criminals often do not look like their sketches has been discussed many times here. The candidate pushers never fail to bring that arguement up, like all good used car dealers. Jo even goes so far as to come up with her own image of Cooper. Duane was Cooper. Its pointless to even try to talk to these priests! It cuts both ways for the candidate pushers... 1) It's OK if my suspect doesn't look like the sketch, because they seldom do 2) My suspect must be right because he looks 'just' like the sketch (I agree with you of course that Jo does the arguments to a whole new level...) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The fact that criminals often do not look like their sketches has been discussed many times here. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I have explained before how I did that. I used a photo of Duane (his head was slghtly turned - he liked to be posed for photos and did NOT want me to make Straight on pictures). The composite was straight on. Yes the angulation of the avatar seems different and the face more narrow due to combining a straight on Composite with an head turned photo. It's nothing to do with angle, it is to do with the shape of the cheekbones. Just like someone doesn't go from a square jaw to a pointed one just because the angle changes. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

well done on finishing finals!! and enjoy SF. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Thanks Vicki - I must have missed that. Interesting from another angle too - in other stuff there has been discrepancy about whether he was wearing black or brown on some items (I forget which). How are things going with your investigation? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Something that has always puzzled me about the Cooper case is why the ticket agent would have remembered an arbitrary customer well enough to describe him in detail. Was there something noticeable about him - a bad limp, a bad stammer, a very noticeable tic? Ideas? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Old posts from Jo which sadly show what this really is all about now ... and why no amount of proof is actually going to change her mind (or conversely that any proof will just be dismissed with another conspiracy theory). Nov 26 2006: I would like to think he changed for me - he walked away from a life of crime because he knew how I had been raised and what my standards were. (and yet you later told us how you were with him when he stole coats...so even this is of little comfort) Jan 6 2007 (probably the saddest post and the one that most explains the inability to fae the truth – and we are more than 4 years later now): ....I need to know that these 12 yrs of research and my 17 yrs of marriage to this man were not totally invain. Similarly from Apr 15 2007: If the FBI has such evidence don't you think it would be in good conscience to share it with someone who has used up the prime of her life Jo, I really wish you would let this go and enjoy the rest of your years. You can never prove Weber was Cooper and will not accept any evidence to the contrary (you will find some argument like you did with the lack of DNA evidence to match Weber's) so why not just let it all go and remove this huge burden? Accept Duane was a crook, that there is no "hero caper" to justify it or make it better in your eyes, and move on. On another tack... Georger, apart from the ears, if you look at Jo’s frankenweber composite, it seems to me the cheekbones are very different? Could it look that way from smiling or is this a fundamental bone structure thing? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

(1)That is really rich coming from you Jo!! Conspiracy theories and twisted logic don't count as substance and reason. And (2) just because you do not want to face up to the truth of something does not make it "without reason". If you cannot see (and many posters have countless times made you try to see how stupid - sorry there is no other apt word - it is to demand that anyone (FBI, us, whoever) prove someone was "not" Cooper, then you truly are desperate. Again, no other word is apt (and in fact your own posts show that desperation - go back and read them). And Georger is right about your story changing. One simple example: your early posts have no certainty about what you saw in the air ticket you found; your later ones do. You yourself have said it was lost so it is absolutely impossible that you could have reason for that other than that it is what you want to believe. There are more examples of this "development" of your story. Incidentally, Jo, have you managed to prove (and proof is not conjecture or half baked stuff) that Christiansen was not Cooper? That Gossett was not Cooper? That Peterson was not Cooper? Could you start trying, properly, so that you can see how ridiculous your demands are? And surely you realise that (a) not everyone confesses to their crimes and (b) sometimes people confess to crimes they did not do. And in any case, there are still a good number of people who do not necessarily believe that Weber said what you said he did - not that you are lying, but that you may have misheard. We have no independent witnesses to confirm he said what you say he did. Why is this more plausible than Gossett's alleged confession? Farflung - you have far too much time on your hands, but that was great and I am waiting for part 2 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

So you are back on this hobbyhorse because you cannot find any proof. I bet that you cannot prove that my father was not Cooper, either. I bet you cannot prove Guru was not Cooper. I would bet there are probably a few hundred thousand people, at least, that you cannot prove are not Cooper. If this and conspiracy theories are all you have to fall back on, Jo, don't you think it's time you faced up to the truth? I realise you have spent 12 years or whatever trying to prove it, and you are way past the time when you should have cut your losses, but better late than never. Real estate is an analogy you understand; it's like a Nevada homeowner who is now 70% underwater still desperately clinging onto the hope that property prices will suddenly boom and make all the pain of the past few years worthwhile. It just ain't gonna happen. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I have heard about that ...but still no talking right? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

just thinking that if I was under surgery and started talking... it would probably mean I had not gone under properly and I would be more likely to be yelling about pain than spilling state secrets. (Then, if I was in the US, I would probably start muttering about suing the anesthetist next.) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.