Mike111

shit... is anyone hurt?

Hey, Best of luck to him, the fact he is donig that shows what a great person he must be. best of wishes to him.

Hey, Finalyl got trhorugh level 5!!!

Sorry mate i don't get it? If he baged his elbow, why need prayers?

Agreed. Although i wasn't referring toABu ghraib - i was tothe secret camps - the masterminds. I have no idea of the people in Abu ghraib. All govt's use it (torture ) to certain degrees. It aint gna change. I don't approve the mindless torture of thousands of people, im dead opposed. But take WW2 - flattening cities??? Killings thousands of INNOCENT civilians. Well, it was deemed necessary but not justifiable That it was I hold on this issue. Anyway, good havea discussion with you mate, least we are clear on one thing - we are on the same side!

Yup im guilty Ive committed thousands of crimes which have harmed millions. Mate this is an internet forum, we both got a bit heated. When we look at it, we just normal people with differnngi viewpoints on a sensitive subject. now ill delete the previous post becuase it was out of order , ok that fair?

my fault ,misread, Sorry. PM sent.

Ok whatever mate, Im a sadistic fucker. Rock on. (I did give £100 to the Pakistan Earthquake appeal) Course that makes me one you know!!!!

Absolute bullshit. WTF are you on about? Im not restricting free speech, but in war there is censorship - im saying release it when it will cause LESS DAMAGE. I AM FULLY OPEN TO FREE SPEECH, but sometimes tactfulness is required. no beheading someone is the same as shooting someone - what planet are you on???? Jesus. Middle east eh? Im glad youre not in govt, you'd invite the terrorists for tea and biscuits. If you read carefully, what I wrote then youll see the point. And are they guilty - give me a fucking break will you.

Let me get one thing very clear, my intention is not to want pain to be inflicted. Salm witchtrials - yes ive read about them. The difference is these terrorists are proven terrorist, a lto of the victims then were innocent. Yes of course it doesnt always give greta information but you may have overlooked one thing - they behead people , OUR PEOPLE. If I was leader, I would od my best to try and get things resolved peacefulyl and in a most humane way as possible, but if my people were being BEHEADED, yes BEHEADED, then maybe I would start to think otherwise. Well tell me then why most interrogation untis use it then? the KGB - no answer needed, MI5/6. Course they would use it. Yes it does hurt, when Its gets out. Thats what I was annoyed about - the paper didnt realise the harm ti would do to the US. It "might have been wrong" but causing more damage is ponitless. Maybe relaease it at a later date when times are less volatile. Edit - Im assumnig now, but if youve got me down as a sadistic cold hearted fucker, well I just thougth i would say politely of course, youre wrong.

Your percption of the US is wrong - by other countries standards it is a very moral and upstanding country. Maybe a check into the Uk vs IRA side argument - they, the soldiers, actually let IRA groups murder other provisional groups - i saw the report and everyting - ok it was a documentary but proven people there at the time - they were watching while they killed each other. But oh shit "we have a duty" Yet that is from the UK. nicey nicey doesn;t always bloody work.

Very well put indeed.

Hence why i said i do not support it for ordinary soldiers or on a regular basis. I did quite clearly say that. Personally i rather have someone looknig after me who would do what is necessary to protect us. and if they the terrorists are forcing it on us , then boy would I want it pushed back on them.

I never supproted the assination of Kennedy, never have and never will.. Why kept secret - because th media would make a fuss and force the governent to stop it , so in the end they wouldn't get the info cos people would be going on about human rights etc etc. Like I said before, it CANT BE MORALLY JUSTIFIED, btu it CAN still be done.

Sorry do you mean "torture someone and die, or torture someone or die". I do not wish to appear arrogant or stubborn, but torture has given people information in the past - everyoen cracks EVENTUALLY. noone can last forever, some can last longer than others. Im not into inflicting pain at all, but sometimes, i think it is necessary to grit ones teeth and say well weve tried everything else - weve frozen accounts blah blah got info from spies and intelligence agencies - just talking to these masterminds in a ncei way or puttimh them in jail wouldn't do it EITHER. Youre more likely option is to scare them.Although some are prepared for death/

lol ooops point - no i aint drunk. hang on

Congratulations!!

Must admit that seems a pretty good idea - the border bit. Actually there was something else (you probs know about) that protecting the borders - Drugs - Sometown in texas-newlavuado or something like that where there are murders eveyrday and where cocaine is shipped into the USA on an hourly rate pretty much Just thought id add that I forgot.

Fair point, but sometimes isnt it fair to say that some risks are unnacceptable. Fully agreed they can't always protect us , but if there is a way in which they can do so then maybe we shoudl let them? Moreoverm, this is not like a genocide so its important to keep it in perspective.

Well you also forgot -0 you still need to something IMMEDIATELY about the terrorist Fuck long temr until youve dealt with the immediate threat. So i ask you, what would you do? Better to have an answer than none at all.

Eveyrone is afraid of dying thats normal mate. Skydiving I CHOOSE to take the risk. I DON@T when a terrorist tries and kill me. I have no clue what the risk is, but the chocie thing 0 ISN:T THAT OBVIOUS?

Yes agreed - but how do you solve the immediate problem of the terorist? if they are not actively at that point trying to kill you, what the fuck do you do? Wait till they are ready to kill you? I don;'t break any other moral codes - i keep promises btu this is SLIGHTLY different.

Well you can go and die then for some fuckwit who wants to blow you up, leave me out of it. thats not selfish - they put us in the position to make that choice, buy intending to kill us THEY BRING ON THEMSELVES. w

Ahh right thanks for the info. Much appreciated

This si the problem. What gives the USA the right to torture over others? Hwo can yo make sure it doesn;t get out of hand? Can you justify it? - NO. Torture - i dont mean on a rack with your arms being poked off - forced interogation and detention without will is OK is SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. I don't wanna start a riot over this - but youre talking about masterminds who cut off people heads - now if let loose they would do JUST THAT. Which do way you want it? have them as a threat or try and get something out of them which MIGHT help saves lives or not bother. IT IS HORRIBLE TO DO SO - IM NOT DENYNIG IT, but maybe sometimes it is the ONLY way - these people wanna die for their cause and kill US westerners. and thy have and will do that. I rather break a moral code and stay alive than die for some fuckwit who doesn;t give a shit if he klills me. Once you have got the ifo, then it can stop IMMEDIATELY - btu youve got the problem fo them talking.