MikeForsythe

hours??????? It has only been 17 min. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

nope, nope and nope Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

nope and nope Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

It has come to my attention that two of our own here on DZ.com have gone and gotten engaged! I'll give them an hour to fess up! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

There was a time when that was a true statement.And that is all I will say about that......for now. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

What about the hole on the side of your house? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

I'm still waiting for mine. I have sent the emails and made the phone calls to no avail. I have just given up for this year and written it off as a donation. Glad I don't fun jump or I would be PISSED! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

You just had to get them going didn't you? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Clearly you are very board! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Cara said she can be her hot dog girl! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

I have a feeling that it would be my ass that got kicked! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Tell her that I am going to pick you up on the Harley and take you to Main St. in Daytona (yes it is bike week). That ought to get her going! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Daytona Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

NASCAR's first Hall of Fame is to be housed in Charlotte, North Carolina Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

I say let's blame it on John because clearly he is not frustrated or trying hard enough. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

So Andrea, since it is bike week I was just curious which event you were going to enter this year, pudding wrestling at Soft Tails or coleslaw wrestling at the Cabbage Patch?$10 says you clean up! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

I don't know when the cut off was but for me it was "RENT". Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

This has already been answered above. I think that you are confused because you are the one who is trying is disprove something in the face of thousands of successful jumps not to mention other similar designs that have reams of data and military testing to support why even the military uses a similar system. And yes you are the one who has consistently fought the validity of the product with nothing more than a subjective prejudice unsupported opinion. So that you understand where I am coming from the issue I have is not if the product is flawed or not rather people like you bashing something just because of what you think not what you can prove. If you came back and said hey I did this test that you suggested or I called a manufacture and they suggested this test and this was the result then you would be speaking from an informed, intelligent position. Instead you have taken the sophomoric position that “I don’t have to prove anything”. Thousands of successful jumps is not unsubstantiated. Again, you would have to ask JS that and I think that they are valid questions. I am not saying that, JS is. I have pointed out the benefits and flaws of both systems that I am aware of from personal use and industry testing that I have been involved in. My offer stands, if you are interested in learning how factory testing is done, feel free to contact me anytime you are in DeLand and I would be happy to give you a tour and show you how some of the test are done and documented. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Again your statements are prejudice and invalid. You say that there is a 10X greater chance of bag lock, my question to you again is what test did you do to prove it? The information that you are failing to consider is that as a result of the breaking strength of a stow band where the bag lock can stay that way, rubber bands fail and allow the bag to open because the pilot chute has four times the pulling force of the failure point of the rubber bands. Have you ever taken a speed bag locked all of the stows and deployed it and seen what happens, they break, every last one on every test that was done. So again, what test did you do to dispute that? So your statement “No testing needed to make that observation” is incomplete and flawed. You would have to ask JS that question. As far as posting data, none of the manufactures generally release data with the exception of to the military and FAA of course. Ever heard of the term proprietary information? And at least I post industry acceptable test that I would do, you on the other hand have offered none. So what test would you recommend? Wow, so much for things like the skyhook, HMA lines etc. being substantiated then. Guess all of the major manufactures need to hire you as a consultant since they are not doing that? My offer stands, if you are interested in learning how factory testing is done, feel free to contact me anytime you are in DeLand and I would be happy to give you a tour and show you how some of the test are done and documented. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

PM sent. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

The following is my personal opinion only: The 75lb. experiment was just that and not a representation of an actual deployment, not to mention that I would never even remotely use that as a responsible test less lone publicly post it. The only thing that experiment objectively showed is that if you hang a bag that it is possible to hold a piece of pipe and weight. I have never jumped with that configuration in my rig, have you? I have always put a functional reserve in myself. And where a picture was taken is irrelevant. Now I would consider a reasonable test would be to video actual openings and analyze them, or for ground testing, hang the rig off of a tower and pull the free bag out to full extension at the same rate as an actual deployment, that would be a repeatable objective test. I would also do comparative load cell pull testing. Have you done any of this type testing to objectively dispute the factory? Because until you do any post that you make like the ones here would never be taken seriously by the experts in the industry that do this for a living. If you had read the previous post you would know that the same speed bag is used for main deployments also, so to say that there have been thousands of actual deployments could be very realistic. Just because you don’t see a benefit does not mean that there isn’t one. As previously stated JS is not the only manufacture using a version of a speed bag with rubber bands. Your statement “the added risks are obvious” is nothing more than unproven perceived speculation since there have been no failed deployments. You have also not posted any industry acceptable test data that you have done to support your subjective statements. Do you have any? If you are interested in learning how factory testing is done, feel free to contact me anytime you are in DeLand and I would be happy to give you a tour and show you how some of the test are done and documented. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

The following is my personal opinion only: I am sick and tired of everyone that is taking the prejudicial cheap shots and playing the “family of the victim” card. And I am not talking just about this thread or post either. In this thread you accuse the factory of ignoring the problem until something happens. You have no objective basis for this accusation. The factory has said that they were not able to duplicate the issue that was brought to their attention. That is not ignoring what was brought to them. Do you know what testing the factory did to determine this? Just because they did not do what YOU think they should have done does not mean that they were irresponsible in addressing the issue. The fact appears to be that there have been no failed deployments in thousands of jumps, only the perceived potential. Now for that word “potential”. There is not a single rig out there that given the right set of circumstance can have the potential to fail. The same can be said for cars, planes, boats etc. all of which you can and people have died in. And there are billions of dollars spent to prevent it in those industries. Any reputable manufacture out there takes issues like this very seriously. By some of the responses here it is clear that the statements made have to be prejudice because if the posters had the slightest clue as to what testing is done they would never make such statements. In the future I think that your time would be more productive, informative and educational if you were to ask questions rather than make accusations. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Several I don't think the quality is similar and I can say that Ouragan is better but then I am looking at more than just the suit. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Exactly, hence the saying that you get what you pay for! Your there to make the suit look good, why compromise! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Go with an Ouragan, you will be much happier and they are made right here in Florida! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!