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It's a little different for our guys. They fight to the death because they know if they are captured, they will loose their heads among other things. In contrast, the bad guys can simply raise their hands and it's over. What's the fuss over twisting arms? He didn't say breaking arms. Hell, they twisted my arms during escape and evasion training. If everything was on a college hazing level (my guess some of it is), people would still be screaming about American atrocities toward these pieces of shit. But you fail to understand you are talking about a society that thinks spanking is child abuse and simply touching someone is assault. No kidding. This could apply to us and them. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

I took twisting arms to be a metaphor for hooking electrodes up to people's genitals. I haven't actually heard about any specific instances of the former, but the latter has been documented by our own gov't. Quote I didn't take it as a metaphor. You did. I don't give a shit about college hazing. I care that our vice president has been spending inoridinate amounts of time lobbying to keep torture by agents of out gov't from being criminalized. That's an atrocity in and of itself. Quote If enough American citizens find this repulsive, maybe it can be stopped before the next election. And I'm of the opinion that when the CIA keeps classified prisons in eastern european countries and the vp lobbies to keep it legal for the CIA to torture people, that there's a pretty good chance a little more is going on than literal arm twisting. Am I one of the few that can add one to one and get two? Quote Same as above. Once again, this is OUR government at work. The press has informed the public about these prisons now it's time for the public to complain. I'm sorry that I don't consider humans who don't happen to be Americans to be less human than humans that are Americans. I thought this country was based on basic human rights that are inalienable. Not basic American rights...basic human rights. They apply to everyone, or you aren't honoring the foundation of our nation's existence.Quote I find humans that blow themselves up to kill innocent women and children less than human. I find humans that will cut off the heads of their captives and video it for the world to see less than human. Do these "less-than-human-scumbags" deserve what our founding fathers had in mind? It's hard to say yes, but you are right. They do deserve basic human rights. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

I agree. Real torture, murder, rape, should be out, but quick and aggressive interrogation of prisoners must take place if our guys are to stay on top of the tactical situation. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

It's a little different for our guys. They fight to the death because they know if they are captured, they will loose their heads among other things. In contrast, the bad guys can simply raise their hands and it's over. What's the fuss over twisting arms? He didn't say breaking arms. Hell, they twisted my arms during escape and evasion training. If everything was on a college hazing level (my guess some of it is), people would still be screaming about American atrocities toward these pieces of shit. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

In some way it IS a bad thing! I bet most europeans have passports and use them all the time. I also bet that many of them haven't left a 1500 mile radius from their home in their lifetimes. I also bet there are thousands of americans without passports that have traveled outside a radius that size (even if it's just New York to bumpkin-land to the left coast and back). Don't forget my redneck friends who travel that far just to hunt or fish, and don't forget the ones that went to the moon bypassing Europe. National Lampoon's European Vacation says it all about us average Americans. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

Very classy. Never met him, but admired him as a pilot. The system corrupts some and some corrupt the system. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

Funny. Like the pilot who called his boss to tell him the helicopter won't start because the engine got a little wet during the night. Actually, the aircraft was tits up in the lake because he was too lazy to park it onshore for the night and one float collapsed.

Good looks and good taste in aircraft. Not too many chicks would put one foot in an air musuem. You got class. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

Funny thing,I have a roadking classic but think about BMW's.

I bought a boeri ski helmet and it slowed me down in freefall so I gave in and bought a skydiving helmet. I felt the boeri gave me better protection, but my fall rate was more important than my head. I have used the boeri for base with no problems.

Saddam is definitely taxi driver material. I predict he will be driving cabs out in Calif with Win Cao Ky? Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

For years I shot a model 70 win .270 then I got the browning. It's lighter and I like the .270 wsm. As for the .17hmr savage, I agree: FUN and cool. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

I'm hunting with a new Browning .270 WSM A Bolt Stalker w/ leupold 4.5x14. Got to get some dies; expensive ammo. Plink with a Savage hmr.17 w/bull barrel and a cheapo simmons 3x9. The Savage was made in Canada. I felt like I bought a Buick with a Chevy motor except it's a nice rifle. After hunting season, I want to see what the browning will do. Got room on the place to shoot if you come through Arkansas or anyone.

If I recall correctly, it was a shot of Drambuie on top of a shot of Scotch served on a little ice.

Lots of ups and downs: occasionally I wiggle my toes, laugh, and thank God that I'm still here; today included.

I sure liked rusty nails with the dram.

Like pulling you apart in London Tower? Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

I don't think there are any airworthy DH Mosquitos left . Such a cool plane. One of my favorites.

No A20 or A26; maybe one of the Brits could come up with a Mosquito. Skip bomb yourself at 300 kts over the field at 2000'. That would be a rush.

Me too, but I get by with a little help from my friends: a little church, a little granddaughter, and a little booze.

Butt Wipe. That's sounds like a good name for the oldest man in the US if he can he do it himself. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

The Brits and the US would do the best job, and after they have been compensated or before, the government could nationalize the whole oil industry. Maybe this is a little more complicated.... Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

And the award for Best Conversation Opener goes to... ROTFLMAO!!! Walt OK kid

Walt, I'm probably as old as you. I think our generation just missed this targeting you speak of or maybe we just did not see it growing up. Gregory Peck risked his career by playing the part of man who pretended to be a Jew in everyday America during the late 40's or early 50's. As I recall he could not find employment, join any clubs, and his children were ridiculed at school because people thought they were Jews. Yes it was just a movie but G. Peck wanted to show us just how Jews were treated. This country hated Jews so much we turned away a shipload from Germany in 1942 (a little before my time). Nobody would take them so they went back to Germany to die in the death camps. In addition, the US State Department used delaying tactics to avoid giving visas to Jews wanting to leave Germany when they could. That stuff seems very surreal to me. I have a hard time imagining it happening in the US, but times do change. Just becuase it didn't happen in my lifetime (48 years, in case you're wondering) it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just makes it very difficult for me to relate to. Walt Well I'm just a tad older than you;13 years to be exact. Hard to believe, but this stuff actually happened, and a lot of older Americans don't like to be reminded of it. I was off on the date the ship arrived in this country according to this.http://www.humanities.uci.edu/~rmoeller/body/dublon_stlous.html Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

Walt, I'm probably as old as you. I think our generation just missed this targeting you speak of or maybe we just did not see it growing up. Gregory Peck risked his career by playing the part of man who pretended to be a Jew in everyday America during the late 40's or early 50's. As I recall he could not find employment, join any clubs, and his children were ridiculed at school because people thought they were Jews. Yes it was just a movie but G. Peck wanted to show us just how Jews were treated. This country hated Jews so much we turned away a shipload from Germany in 1942 (a little before my time). Nobody would take them so they went back to Germany to die in the death camps. In addition, the US State Department used delaying tactics to avoid giving visas to Jews wanting to leave Germany when they could. Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.