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I would say you went one step furter when you FALSELY accused Sean of not paying his pilots. Please realize that the things you post about people on these forums will turn up with a search for years to come and you can do an enormous amount of damage to someones reputation and thier business. 5 years from now when someone does a search for "Skydive Atlas" I want them to know that your facts were not in place when they read your post and form thier opinions about Sean and his buisness. I am calm, go back and read my posts in your quiet voice and you'll see I'm simply stating the facts. I would say that the kind of person who spreads lies about others is in for a tougher road than the kind of person who stands up for the truth and defends the names of thier friends. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Your actual personal experience, that you didn't like Sean or his boogie, was not what I was commenting on. The fact that you made third hand claims about things you heard that can be very damaging to anothers business is what I had a problem with. Say whatever you want about Sean or his business regarding your experience or personal dislike for him but don't make up lies and spread rumors. No. I've only met Sean a few times. He seemed like a nice guy, and I'm going to continue to assume that about him until I see facts otherwise, because that is what I would hope my friends would do if someone where posting bad things about me on the internet. Sounds like you got your answer above. Like I said earlier, I'm sure Sean was hoping for a better turnout than they had and all of the contract labor (who get paid based on jumps done/hours flown) didn't get in as much as they had hoped, but got paid for the work done. I've been involved in running events before and there is a big risk with ferrying in aircraft and hiring help with this sport. You can never say for sure that jumpers and weather will both turnout well. If they don't you lose, that is the risk you take, I'm sure Sean felt the burn in his wallet at the end of the weekend as much as everybody else. That doesn't even make sense. You're going to make outragouse claims, that you can't support, about somebody's business practices and then say that they are true because nobody has posted facts against yours! Well now somebody has and everybody knows that your full of crap. The pilot got paid, you lied. Period. You don't like Sean and you tried to ruin his reputation with everybody on here. Better luck next time. Joe. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

How is claiming that you "heard" that Sean did something that could be considered a crime (depending on thier agreement) in not paying his pilot a "personal experience" of yours? And if it is not true, that kind of Gossip can do an incredible amount of damage to a fellow skydivers startup business as he attempts to hire staff at other events. Without facts or even the willingness to say who you are, I would say the you ARE trying to "defame" Sean. This sport never ceases to amaze me at how politcally charged it can get and the extent that skydivers will go, even damaging the reputation of skydiving as a whole, just to hurt a fellow jumper. I'm not saying that you've done this Dave, but if Sean has done some of the things that you claim that information needs to come from the people who were there. The people that (as you may or may not have "heard") were lied to or cheated. Sean is doing a lot to take our sport to people who don't have access to it and all the crybaby mid-west skydivers who don't know jack squat about marketing a business need to not spread rumors about him. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I be out there. Hopefully it cools off a little between now and then. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

There are a few DZ's around that don't like the thought of other people offering tandems in their state. I know that there are people in Nebraska that don't like his Minden boogie based solely on the fact that he advertises, even thought he is at least 2 to 3 hours away from the nearest DZ. We all saw the crap that happened in Kansas just because someone tried to open a DZ there, people bad mouthing thier own sport to city officals just to shut down the new guy in town. Several boogies disapoint tandem masters due to weather or lack of customers, some times you can't predict the outcome of an event like that (especially the first year) I'm sure Sean and everyone involved had high hopes. As far as the pilot is concerned "you heard" doesn't cut it when it comes to claims like that. Get it in facts, have the pilot post that if its true. Until then I see nothing but malicious gossip in your post. If your going to start a new profile and you won't even put your name on it I'm going to say that you did so just to defame someone and that there is a lack of truth in your post. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I've known Sean for a couple of years now. There is nothing fishy about it. He has found a niche in the market offering skydives to parts of the country that don't have DZ's. These areas usually don't have the population to support even a cessna DZ but Sean puts a lot of work into marketing to these rural areas and builds a one weekend a year DZ. Its actually a great idea and I hope it works well for him. The events of his that I have been to offer the same tandem and video guys that you'll see working at the local boogies, absolutely nothing substandard. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I was thinking that same thing, so I asked Bullit earlier today. He wouldn't tell me how long he's been in the sport but ventured a guess that he had been around longer than I've been alive. I mentioned the black hearse and he knew Jaccuzzi, so I'm under the impression thats the same person. On a side note, I jumped with Bob today and we turned 4 points on a VRW 4-way. Cool guy! I've been finding myself in this forum more and more. Lots of fun stuff! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I believe you can have a harness resized by the manufacturer for a couple hundred bucks. So if you find a container you like, right size canopies and decent colors, but its sized for someone 4 feet tall and your 6 foot, contact the manufacturer of the container with the D.O.M. and ask them if they would be able to resize the harness. This will help broaden your options when shopping for new gear also gets you into a harnes that fits you. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

That is the best post yet. Its only funny because it is so true. I miss free beer boogies but at least I don't have to wash the plane anymore. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Sore? Probably. Worth it? Definitely!! I live right next to the thing and have only done about 20 minutes to date but all of it was worth my time and money. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

A Naked Freefly World Record? haha..that is awesome. How many people are you thinking will participate in this? Does "hitting the gym" make my penis look larger? Don't think you'll see me on that one. Would this be a good weekend for a guy who has never made the trip over to Elsinore to come and check things out? "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Although I wouldn't recommend it as the fastest way to progress in the sport, I was freeflying before I had 20 jumps. Never looked back. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

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I just heard the news, 69 is the number. Congratulations to everybody there. Thats an awesome feat! Lets get a photo on here! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

6 men and 11 women? How does that work? "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Here are a few frame grabs that I had. Hope they're not to small. Amy, thanks for organizing that. I had a great time. A very challenging and rewarding day for everybody I think. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Dude, if you don't know, you're the only one!! Jimmy Coiner will not show you mercy! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I'm sorry I thought I was in the Skydiving Forum not the Grammar Forum. I looked it up, you are right. I apologize. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Are you saying its easy? So did belly flyers 30-40 years ago. Don't condone freefliers just because they're still developing thier aspect of the sport. We know "on level" and tensionless grips, there are just aren't that many that have the ability....yet. VRW will change that. Rick, if your coach rating is a goal that you have you would be better off continuing with RW and increasing your skills that way. As far as people to jump with, I'm out there quite a bit in the winter and although I spend the majority of my jumps freeflying all you have to do is ask. I'll organize some jumps with you (and have fun doing it) and I think few people out there, who aren't working, would turn you down. Later, Joe. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Glad to hear you guys had a good time. I'm pretty bummed about not being able to make it up this year. Everybody I've talked to had an exceptional time. Promise I'll be there next year. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I'll chime back in here, if the drive is not an issue for you LSPC will blow the doors off of those Kansas DZ's. I didn't make it up there this year but it sounds like you just missed one hell of a good party at thier annual boogie. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

KSUPC is a little further away but I always had a good time jumping with those guys. Don't miss Couchfreaks! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

It's already 95 degrees by then! I'm not sure if I can take the heat for 6 jumps but I'll be there. Are you guys planning anything for afterwards? "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I picked up a cheap ticket that will get me up there but I'm not quite sure if my schedule is going to allow it or not. Does anyone know who is doing the freefly organizing? What's registration and jump tickets? Is Jimmy Coiner going to be there? If so, would I be putting myself in harms way asking him to sign my logbook? Will there be any alcohol? If so, will there be numerous females consuming large amounts of it before the best dressed contest? Do they permit unruly behavior? Are we allowed to climb the water tower this year? Put full sized furniture on the loading tent? Drive our vehicles through pyramids of beer kegs? A couple of answers will really help me make my decision. Thanks. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

I talked to Jimmy and Chazi last night. Sounds like everybody is having a really good time. Wish I was there. What all has happend? Let me know what I missed. "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."