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He had 12 years and played games for 12 years. Some thought he was complying, others thought he was still playing games. The problem there was with a history of playing games that lasted for 12 years. A guy that used WMD's before. A guy that was known to murder people and to support terrorism. Given that information, I can see how a guy would lean towards thinking that Saddam was still playing games. And if earlier teams reported that the criminal was hiding something, why trust this team is correct when the others failed? And I think that the people who gave permission also have to share the blame. It all starts with the failure of the intel groups. They were unable to get good information. The information they did get showed that it was possible that Saddam still had WMD's. The the blame goes to the UN for waiting for 12 years and not doing a good job when they actually did anything. Congress and Bush also have fault since Congress allowed the President to use force and he did. But to blame one man is very short sighted and just looking for a scape goat. They GAVE it to him.
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The UN should have done something when Saddam was playing games in 98 instead of just pulling them out. Saddam played games for 12 years with the UN. Did, or did not Saddam have 12 years to comply before the US invaded? What took so long? Why did he jack the inspectors around so much? What do you think of this situation. A cop calls in and asks for permission to use deadly force in a situation with a murderer that is reported to have a gun. The beat cops asked the guy to give over his guy for about two hours. Other folks tell you he has a gun, but he claims he does not but will not show his hands. There is a danger that this criminal might be planning to use his weapon to start a gang war. He has used a gun before, been known to give guns to folks to use, and has been known to be looking at getting some new guns. So the cops on the site ask the Police Chief if they can raid the place. The Chief gives the go ahead if the SWAT guys feel its needed. The SWAT guys move in. Are the SWAT guys to blame, or the Chief if no guns are found? Are both to blame? I say both, you only want to blame the SWAT guys. But wait! Bush could have been the Chief, and the intel agencies the SWAT team. I say both are to blame for the bad intelligence and the use of force. You want to remove the blame from the Congress and place it on one man. If thats true, and the Congress was so unneeded and worthless. Then the system is lost. How many years was there a resolution telling Saddam to disarm and prove it?
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Ah, so if a guy made a bad decision based on what information he had. He is evil. But if others made a bad decision based on the information they had ,his bad information, they are not evil? So Bush can be wrong and he is evil. Where as anyone else can be wrong and it is still Bush's fault? Great thing about a yes or no choice is that some will be right, and some will be wrong no matter what happens. You, with less information than the folks in Congress and the Senate made a good guess. They with more information than you, and more resources, and more time, and it being their job to look at these things thought differently than you and your guess. They voted to allow force. If they had doubts they should not have voted to allow force. But that would have been unpopular. So maybe they either voted to be popular, or were wrong. People when wrong tend to try and push that blame for the bad choice they made to someone else. So either, the government whose job it is to make these tough choices was wrong and are now trying to not look stupid, or they were just doing what they needed to do to get re-elected. Either choice is fine really, but they should stand up and be held accountable for their actions. Sir, you can blame one man all you like. I blame them all, since they all failed. Both sides of the part lines, the intelligence groups, the other countries intelligence groups who came the same decisions, ect. But you are free to blame one man and on man alone. That does not speak very well about the United States checks and balances, nor the elected leadership of, well anything, heck the entire system if one man can just do whatever he wishes. I am glad you guessed correctly in the WMD vs no WMD test. Too bad that the President, the House, the Senate, British intelligence, Saudi Intelligence, ect were all wrong.
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Beware in Texas: You can be stopped for license plate frame
DaVinci replied to efs4ever's topic in Speakers Corner
Is your halo perfect? Have you never lied? I seriously doubt you have always told the truth 100% of the time. Don't play Jesus or Washington with me. -
Beware in Texas: You can be stopped for license plate frame
DaVinci replied to efs4ever's topic in Speakers Corner
You know its BS? Do you know where I live or what job I have? Same with speeding, but I bet people do that as well. Oh, they have little dimples where to drill the holes. Firebirds (RIP), Mustangs, Heck, a bunch of cars do not have license plate holders on the front. But it is such a shame to drill those holes out and then you can never be without a front plate unless you replace the bumper cover. Really stupid. -
Kerry went there right? Why does everything that has to do with Bush automaticly have to be slammed by you? An aid to a President has more experience than 99% of the world in how the country actually works. While I don't agree with them just letting the guy in without a lower degree. I can see how he might be more qualified than some guy that just spent 4 years in school and has never worked. Much less worked at such a high level.
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Beware in Texas: You can be stopped for license plate frame
DaVinci replied to efs4ever's topic in Speakers Corner
Weak according to who? You? It is enough of a reason for me not to drill holes in my new car. And I know plenty of others that do the same thing. So you may consider it weak, but not everyone agrees with your view. Actually several friends have just pulled it out of the trunk and said, "The stupid bracket broke, I ordered another one off of Ebay, but I think I got jipped. To be honest, I forgot about it Sir." And if they did get a ticket, they just took the plate to court and get out of it. Or paid the 25 dollar fine. -
While I like guns and support citizens rigths to own them. You title makes pro-gun folks look to be crazy rednecks looking to double tap someone.
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What exactly do you think a "use of force" is? The time they could object to it was then. I think a good number supported it since it was a popular idea. Now that it is not popular, they are against it. Simple politics really. Support what is popular. Does that mean I don't think we should get out? Nope. But to claim they were mislead, lied to...ect is nothing more than excusing them for not doing their job. Or allowing them to continue to swing with the winds of what is popular opinion. You want someone to blame for being in Iraq? How about Saddam since he really never complied? The UN for never doing what they said they would do? Or ALL of the guys in DC that voted for "The use of Force". Not just the one guy you seem to love to blame for everything. I blame all of the above, you only blame Bush.
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Sure they can. But it is called being responsible. You make a choice, you have to see it through. You can't stop and then claim you never supported it. I can see how people are getting sick of the war. But the people who supported it are as much to blame now as then. Saying it is now bad does not absolve them of the fact they supported it.
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Clinton and Bush, Sr. are Fairly Buddy Buddy
DaVinci replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
I think thay are just two people who have alot in common. They have different opinions ona few things that were made larger by the jobs they had and talking about the differences.... Hey, alot like this place. I bet most people on here would get along in person. But when people talk politics in a charged environment, they are looking for a fight/discussion....That most often ends in a fight. -
Most people after 9/11 agreed with Iraq. The Representatives voted to use force. NOW people are against the war, and the house/senate claims they didn't vote for the war. You bat 1000% when you can look back.
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Beware in Texas: You can be stopped for license plate frame
DaVinci replied to efs4ever's topic in Speakers Corner
How about not wanting to drill holes in a bumper for a plate on a car that might be moving to a state that does not have front plates? I have a sports car and I think the front plates look stupid as hell. Why drill a hole in the bumper (Dumb design)? Yes, I am willing to pay the fine if I ever get stopped. OK cop, pull me over. I am not breaking any other laws like having a crack pipe. So I am not worried about a routine traffic stop. -
A spokes person for the Capitol Police said that since lower ranking officers were sent away and more Sr. Officers took over that it does appear that there was special treatment and the police are going to look into it .-From CNN I do not doubt that there was/is special treatment for Kennedy's, Representatives, rich people. Much less all three in one. I also don't doubt that Rush had some special treatment. "Special" goes both ways. Sometimes its good, such as getting away with a crime. Sometimes its bad, such as people head hunting since you are famous. It is just human nature to protect people that you like, find attractive, or think can help you. Just like its normal to attack anyone you think can hurt you, or scares you.
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I can attest to this drug making you loopy. I hope they treat him just like they would any other person who did the same thing.
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War supporters-Please do not make the same stupid mistake again.
DaVinci replied to Darius11's topic in Speakers Corner
Iran would never agree. -
I would agree, except he admitted guit to terrorism, not perjury. It is really simple. He admitted guilt. Even if he was not guilty, he admitted he was. Are we supposed to try and prove he is lying? There was enough evidence that he knew, and he admitted he knew. It is really clear. I could see you defending him if he claimed to be innocent, but he admitted guilt. Why do you have to make snide remarks? You don't see me making snide remarks about your Country do you? Can you act nice, or are we done? The guy had a chance to prove he was not guilty, and he instead admitted guilt.
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He claimed he was a part of it. He admitted guilt. If he had said he was innocent I would agree. But he admitted guilt. Now if he was trying to be a big hero and lied, then he is an idiot. But he had his day in court and was judged according to his actions and his plea of guilty.
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War supporters-Please do not make the same stupid mistake again.
DaVinci replied to Darius11's topic in Speakers Corner
The two bombs saved lives in WW2. I find it amazing that people get upset at the two nuclear devices, but are not up in arms over the Firebombing of Tokyo that claimed even more lives than the two bombs. One form of killing is not OK, and the other evil. However, in this case the bombs worked when the firebombing did not. The declared war gave us the right to end the war. Are we better? I don't think so. However, there is a big difference between developing a weapon and using it to end a war and then having that weapon since you cannot uninvent it. And creating a weapon to have one. And your view on Israel is one reason why it would be bad to let Iran have a bomb. You even admit they have not said they would kill everyone, yet claim they would. Iran has said they want to destroy Israel. So why in the world would it be a good idea to let another Country have such a terrible device? And even more so a Country that has sworn to wipe away another Conutry? Your arguments for Defense is a good one. However, I seriously doubt that anyone will let them build a bomb. So by trying they are forcing an issue. -
Ok so why no case yet? You claim its the Rebuplicans will not let there be a case?
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War supporters-Please do not make the same stupid mistake again.
DaVinci replied to Darius11's topic in Speakers Corner
Energy I can agree with, but not the bomb. Iran has stated that they wish to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. Thats not the kind of place I want with a device that could do just that. How many of them have sworn to wipe another off the face of a planet? Then all they are going to do is make "us" move in sooner. I seriously doubt that many people wish Iran had the bomb. The US went in on less than that to Iraq. So you think a country that has sworn to wipe another off the face of the planet should be allowed to build a bomb that could do just that? -
War supporters-Please do not make the same stupid mistake again.
DaVinci replied to Darius11's topic in Speakers Corner
Even if it creates a bigger danger in the middle east? The thing about the Nuclear club is that once you become a memeber nothing can be done about it. I don't think that more countries having the bomb is a good thing. Especially when that country has stated it wishes to wipe another off the face of the planet. -
War supporters-Please do not make the same stupid mistake again.
DaVinci replied to Darius11's topic in Speakers Corner
Japan twice. You can claim it was for other reasons, but it was used offensively and worked well.