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Oh! I love the Lang beer! But since it's not readily available in my neck of the woods I usually stick to my Miller Lite.

If you can wear a Cookie large (their helmets run a little small) the pimped out one that PD donated is pretty cool. I think that'll be perfect for you and it's way too big for Valinda's little noggin. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Rock it, Dame Helen.

Ah, then you need to talk to livendive, ladydyver, drdive, jasonRose and the rest of the West Plains crew out in the East Bumfuck side of the state. Too bad you're coming back too late for Lost Prairie this year. Ah well, it'll give you almost a year to get ready for next year. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Washington's a big state. Where, exactly? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Make that five. Details still pending but we have another sponsor on board.

You can share it with the class if you like.

Check your phone... I did ya one better... a pussy pic. Damn it, just saw your message. I'll resend it to your email then. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Didn't he have to pull for you one time even after you got your license? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Just as long as you're not getting rid of the three hole punch!!! "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Perris calendar has one listed on August 6-7 with Luigi Cani. That might be your closest option. http://www.skydiveperris.com/expert.html "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

I fear we're getting a bit off topic of the incident itself and Bill may want to spin this off into a different thread. The application for group membership does include the new pledge langauge. However, I am not sure what process each dropzone goes through each year to renew its membership - this application seems to be only for initial membership. I am not certain how the new pledge language would be provided to existing Group Member dropzones. http://www.uspa.org/publications/form.pdf/GMInitialApp0208.pdf "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

I have reasons for asking this, i.e. I want to print it out. Is that posted somewhere on line? BK PS. I am still looking for it... The version of the Group Membership Manual that's currently posted on the USPA web site does not include the revised version of the pledge, however, USPA board meeting notes state that the pledge that Group Members signed this year (2008) would include the language. Until there's an updated version publicly available, though, it's hard to go to a DZO and ask "are you following this?" http://www.uspa.org/publications/manuals.pdf/gmmanual.sec1.pdf (see page 3) http://www.uspa.org/contact/BODminutes/BODMinutes0807.pdf (see page 14 - "Motion 21") "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

He's back again... no TV for you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13dLaTIHSg "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Yep, you don't have to come to the boogie to be a part of this raffle (though we would LOVE to see you up in the Northwest - it's an amazing time of year to be up here ... while it's hot and humid everywhere else, we're sporting clear skies, low humidity, and amazing views). And contrary to popular belief, the flights DO run both ways, so come see US for a change. I will also be selling raffle tickets at Lost Prairie (I'll be there from July 30 through August 3).

I don't.

I'm not sure but there was a little bit of dust or some kind of allergen in my room when I was watching those videos. Great stuff. What an honor.

I flew United back from Skyfest in early June (Seattle-Chicago-Charlotte, and Charlotte-Denver-Seattle). No problems at all carrying my rig on in a rolling suitcase, and my laptop in a separate bag (canvas shoulder bag, IIRC, that also had some magazines and books in it, probably). "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Huh, wonder what else is going on in South Dakota at that time? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

I've yet to have trouble with my 210/220 Wings, though in this new environment of charged luggage, its weight and size potentially could be trouble. Who has been flying a lot since this crazy policy went in? What's happening with the carryon scene? Carry-ons are where they're not charging ... yet. I have a Wings with a 210/218 and as stated earlier it'll fit into a legal size roller suitcase; another option is a backpack or duffel that's of legal dimensions, but I find the roller bag the easiest to schlep and allows me to have my shoulders free to toss a laptop bag over. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Seems to vary airport to airport. Sea-Tac (which, being my home base, represents, roughly half of that data) used to be pretty much an automatic swab. Lately they seem to be moving more and more into the "ignore" category. But for all practical purposes, the difference between ignore and "pull it off and swab" is 2 minutes. I've found the overwhelming majority of screeners very respectful and careful when handling the rig - most don't even pull it out of the suitcase to swab it. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

http://www.uspa.org/membership/travel/rigs.htm#tsa http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1147.shtm Read both of those. Print out the TSA page, and carry it with you. If you have an AAD, if you don't already have one, get a copy of the x-ray card from your manufacturer. Those should be available for download on their websites or you may be able to ask them to send you a copy. I always carry my rig on, and I've traveled quite a bit with my rig in the U.S., and a few times to Canada. The only times I've been forced to check it are coming from Canada (Toronto, specifically) back into the US on Air Canada, and that had to do with carry-on weight restrictions (10kg/22lbs) not the fact that it was a rig. I have a rolling case that is the largest carry-on size and my rig just barely fits in it. I've never actually had any problems, although sometimes I've come close. I'm guessing here based on memory: 25% of the time - the rig goes through the x-ray and is not pulled off the belt. 60% of the time - the rig goes through the x-ray and is pulled off the belt for secondary screening and the screener and/or supervisor just wants to swab the rig and it's a quick process and we're done. Sometimes you even get to have a fun chat about skydiving or it might be the first real rig they've seen outside of training and they're really excited. 14% of the time - the rig goes through the x-ray and the screener doesn't know what they're looking at and you think it's going to go badly ... till they call the supervisor over and the supervisor says "Yeah, so what. It's a parachute. Swab it." 1% of the time - the rig goes through the x-ray and I have to talk someone off of some sort of ledge. But it's generally not a major deal if you're able to remain calm and polite and have a conversation (as much as you want to throttle people). Once, in Boston, I had a set of screeners overreact to my AAD and the way they described it to their supervisor, he felt it wasn't something that he wanted to allow as a carry-on. I tried to show him the AAD card and he wasn't interested and was going to make me check the rig. But once he put the rig back through the x-ray himself and looked at the picture, he scoffed and said "You're fine." Another time I had a supervisor ask me for my "orders." I had to let her know that I was under no one's orders... that I did this for fun. She came the closest to wanting me to open my reserve, and in fact pointed out in the TSA letter that she did, indeed have the right to do so. I mentioned that I'd have to get an FAA certified rigger to repack the reserve for me, and that ended that debate. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

No, but aren't they they also the ones using body armor? Far cry from shorts. I agree with you this thread has gotten a bit alarmist. But hey, it's DZ.com it wouldn't be the same if we didn't have the extremes duking it out in cyberspace because everyone's stuck in front of a computer unable to get any airtime. To the original poster - shorts can be fun to jump in, but my caution would be to be aware of the landing area and what a good PLF would do to your skin in that landing area. I once got a nice road rash covering my entire calf from a PLF in a scrubby landing area. It hurts less if your landing area is soft, manicured grass. The consequences can be worse if you need to land off and can't stand up your landing. Even on the hottest days I prefer to at least wear my freefly pants and a tank top (I don't even really freefly much, but one of the reasons I bought the pants is so I can have something to throw on for goofy jumps or hop & pops. That and I had a 50% off certificate. ) "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Really? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

Look at that, Jeff. She didn't exactly say "no." "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke