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Jo ask yourself why it would have made any sense for Duane to retain incriminating evidence such as a plane ticket, parking stub, bank bag and parachute hardware? Sorry you ran into mean thoughtless cops. So many are like that today. Courteous professional ones are in short supply. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Tease alarm. Condition red. Jo, you just can't help yourself. You imply that you have compelling evidence, but can't reveal it. All your probative evidence is lost (ticket, parking stub, parachute hardware, prison smoke jumper article etc) or cannot be revealed. Can you put Duane in a chute? Can you put him on the plane? If you can then "just do it." if you can't then just admit that Duane is a maybe. Even Blevins says KC is just a possibile DBC. Great to have Orange back!! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hunility? Like Attila? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My mistake Farflung. I thought we were talking about the DBC interceptors. Your antibiotics are working just fine. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I put my bets on F 106s. They were based at McChord in 71, were interceptors (F 111s are not) and were equipped with Hughes MA 1 fire control systems which (when everything was working right) could allow the SAGE radar system at McChord to directly control the intercept through two way data comms and ground control of the F 106 autopilot. If the chase planes were F 111s I'd be very surprised. In the end, a lumbering C 130 cargo plane with no onboard air intercept radar (just weather radar) made the intercept which must have been a huge embarrassment to the fighter jocks. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You sure it was a transceiver (like a PRC 90)? I thought it was a bail out beacon like a URT 21, transmit only, no receiver. http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0630190 Also the pair of chase planes were F 106s not F 111s. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't mess with our beloved SOG, cammo, GI Joe, CIA, NSA, smoke jumper, Air America, cargo kicker, Boeing employee model Farflung. Cooper is a heroic figure in the classic sense. We can't have him being a wuffo hick with a hunch he could jump a 727. That just wont do. No way. So back off and keep the dream alive, OK? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: It's a real longshot but I wonder if any researchers were running Doppler vertical wind profilers in that area back then. Some friends and I were doing HAHO jumps from 18,000 ft over Monterey CA area. With the Pacific Ocean so close, I wanted to take serious look at winds aloft historical data to insure against our being carried out to sea and becoming fish food. FAA and NOAA data was sparse and not very geograpically specific. I found an obscure US NAVY POSTGRAD SCHOOL website that was connected to a research Doppler wind profiler that was running 24/7/365 right next to our DZ unbeknownst to any jumpers. It gave current and historical info. Another possibility might be recording anemometers that were located on moutain peaks in the suspected DBC jump area. In West Coast spring and summer NW prevailing wind weather, you can sometimes get winds aloft that are coming from a radically different direction than ground winds. In winter SE storm winds, my experience is that these radical direction shifts are very uncommon in winds aloft compared to ground winds. I judge it by looking at cloud movements. I know its not very scientific, just anecdotal. Where is Orange? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

$4500 a day in profit and you say "not much luck"? Jerry, you gotta be kidding. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

It was a big deal to arrange and execute this test, but why did they use a sled? A real jumper would have given more realistic data and could have done different things while on the steps to see if a pressure bump could be produced without exiting. It would have been a cinch to find a volunteer for a jet jump. Airtwardo would have been there in a minute, right Airtwardo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Very pleased she is flying jumpers again. Had some great times jumping that fast climber at Rantoul in (2005?). Interesting that it's a C 49 rather than a C 47 or DC 3. I think it was owned by two brothers when it came to WFFC. Finding active DC 3 jumpships is getting harder and harder. I hope they don't become extinct. The Basler Turbo Threes should be around for a while longer than the Wright and Pratt radial powered Threes. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Jo, As long as the plane cabin is unpressurized altitude is immaterial to whether the bulkhead door can be opened. 10,000 feet is no big deal as far as O2 is concerned. We jump all the time from 14,000 without supplemental O2 and one DZ here goes to 18,000 without jumper O2. That is pushing it but 10,000 isn't. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: Am I the only one who caught this? Is Farflung about to go to the next level of hunkiness? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: True and so cleverly articulated. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo writes: Jo, you keep suspecting that various posters are FBI affiliates. At times you have even suspected Georger and me. Why the paranoia? I'll bet you that Robert IS exactly who he claims to be and is not an FBI agent whose mission is to discredit you and your DW=DBC theory. When you encounter people who disagree with you, the FBI spy accusations start flying. The FBI is too busy with important matters to spend time posing on this forum. Important matters like impersonating 13 year old girls in Internet chats. . "Skyjumpers" don't have XRay vision, but Airtwardo has a point. I too have noticed that you can see very dim or obscure terrain features looking straight down that pilots miss. It might have to do with a longer staring period and the brain's ability to integrate over time. I hope your health improves Jo. We disagree a lot but I like having you as part of our forum community. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What if he "perched" for a really long time? I know we have the pressure bump and the confirming sled tests, but let's say somehow he didn't actually exit until long after the pressure bump. Can anyone come up with a credible explanation of how the pressure bump might have been caused by something other than Cooper's exit, like bouncing on the stairs or something like that? Occam is frowning, I know, I know... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

lol....I have been to Suzie's. Fun place. However, the Greenies and Pinkies are a much better drink over at Toni Jaro's. Right accross the street. No Pabst for me though. (worst beer EVER). I will take a craft beer called LiftBridge made in Stillwater, MN. Or we could just head to the Bahamas, sit on the beach and share a Pina Colada from a fresh cut pineapple! All this while we compare our Cooper notes. Pabst is OK if youve had a few good beers before switching. It's like starting a big marine engine on No. 2 Diesel and then switching to heated Bunker C oil once its running and warm. Farflung should pre-arrange to have a bottle of this fine crafted brew waiting for Vicki: http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/full_size/5070.jpg That could be Vicki on the label. She has a similar look. You missed a great opportunity Farflung. I'll stop tarring you with the keyboard brush. A guy as hunky as you has an iPad 2 and all data entry is done by deft and sensitive touch. There is no clickity clack from your shack. I, on the other hand, am proud of my anachronistic electromech QWERTY button punching. I sought out and bought an old IBM kybd that actually uses make and break switches. It emulates the feel of the old Selectric typewriters which was glorious. The germophobic guys like Farflung are hoping for perfection of voice control input so they dont have to touch anything that might harbor microscopic life. Robert, I havent seen the writing of the finance guy you think might be Farflung. Can you post a link? I can rule out your rock band speculation, that's not our guy. Farflung has great talent as a writer and a social observer. I am not being sarcastic. I mean it. Lucky us that he chooses to squander that gift here in the dropzone ghetto. He's like a guy who could be in the NBA but just hangs out in the hood playing pick up games in the projects. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Which proves that they were routinely deployed for short field landings at Shemya. Right Sluggo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sluggo wrote: Remember PSA? They flew 727s. Modesty was the last thing on their agenda for flight attendants. They probably ordered their 27s from Boeing without that panel or had it constructed of transparent material. Take a look: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.the60sofficialsite.com/images/vintage-airline-stewardesses1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.the60sofficialsite.com/The_60s_Stew_Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Din_Din.html&usg=__jU22sf5E4kJ24zMdRjGNZGjR9e8=&h=368&w=500&sz=54&hl=en&start=0&sig2=0cLB28rJxTO64c74bCQHaQ&zoom=1&tbnid=ji1iA3rlC-CcKM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=209&ei=2gwNTpm7Doa6sQOx_PijDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPSA%2Bflight%2Battendant%2Bminiskirt%2527%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLL_en%26biw%3D1400%26bih%3D810%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=908&vpy=110&dur=3174&hovh=193&hovw=262&tx=137&ty=64&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0&biw=1400&bih=810 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No, not a chance. Gray isnt that good. And all this self proclaimed hunkiness is unbecoming. Until it is confirmed by Orange, 99 or Vicki, Farflung is just an old guy with a keyboard... like me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

More from Snow: This photo appears to have been taken post Cooper hijack. The airstairs fabric is torn on one side, much like the known video snap/news photos that shows the torn airstairs. Note the fabric is torn on the near side, not the far side A Northwest plane is in the background. The photo seems from the right time period? Sluggo will like this...it allows much more examination of the claim that the airstairs were damaged on landing (they weren't? only damage seems to be the fabric) Note when we discussed this before: not all of the airstairs seemed to have the fabric. I've seen pics with and without. Here's a detail: we discussed the lights on the airstairs a lot. You can see that the side lights on the steps are on in the picture. I wonder if they were on when Cooper jumped? Not clear what triggers on/off. I think we went thru the exact detail on number of lights and where, on the steps, from the 727 design articles. from http://huntfordbcooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/airstairs1.jpg That's a 1.5MB image, best quality. Attached is a compressed version that's DZ-postable. attached 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From the ever helpful and diligent Snowmman: While we discussed this letter extensively (remember my Treasure Island reference :) ), Geoffrey Gray found a news article with a detail I had not seen before. I don't believe it has ever been mentioned before, although it was in at least one news article. news article from http://huntfordbcooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/D.B.-Coooper-letter-to-Times.pdf it came with a code. The Seattle Times letter also had a code, but different numbers. 7698QA2753 Carr had said he was going to see if he could get us a copy of this letter. He never did. The full letter contents, and my Treasure Island post :) is at http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3370805;search_string=%20%26quot%3Btreasure%20island%26quot%3B;guest=79771916#3370805377 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: Wouldn't you have liked to hang out with Tina for a while? Why rush things? You didn't have flight attendants in Buffs? 9 hours in a noisy smelly plane with a bunch of guys? Why did you prefer this to four stripes and a crew of nubile stews plotting to be the next Mrs Farflung? Your judgment baffles me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: . You do make a very good counter argument Georger. It is influencing me. I like intelligent dialogue. It sure beats all the sniping and character asassination that seems to dominate here. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sailshaw's calcs are close enough. Cooper didn't freeze to death before he hit the ground. Sure, tumbles increase your fall rate but it's not a big factor that affects survivability. If Cooper deployed, his next big problem was landing without injury. Nothing too awful happened between exit and deployment if he deployed high enough. A disorienting spin and money loss is very possible, but that's not a survivability issue. The cold might have been a big factor on the ground but it wasn't a big deal during the jump. I made several freefall jumps from 24,000 ft wearing a lightweight jumpsuit, boxer shorts and a t shirt. It was summer but at 24K it was frigid. My goggles iced up immediately after exit. You just aren't exposed to the cold long enough to do any physical damage. I agree that he likely had no position fix when he jumped. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.