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Amazin wrote I know that Amazon. My first 35 jumps off student status were made without an altimeter. I figured I could count, eyeball it and save the money for jump tickets. My point is about jumping through clouds at night when you aren't sure about terrain height. It carries some risk. No reason to increase risk by free falling, just do a hop and pop or pop and hop. It also solves the instability problem you might encounter on a high speed exit with a payload bag. Agree? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://m.facebook.com/marla.cooper?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch&refid=0 "Miss... I AM the bomb." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Reasons Cooper might have decided not to freefall. He had no altimeter. Even if he had one unless it was lighted it wouldn't be of any use in freefall. Didn't know terrain altitude. Visibility of ground from plane was poor. Worried about spin/tumble/instability in freefall. The solution is to pull immediately. It eliminates/ mitigates a lot of risks. I demonstrated, using an audience volunteer, that putting on an NB8 isn't intuitive or easy for someone who has never worn a chute. Jerry has questioned my claim that Tina reported that Cooper put on his chute with ease. It's in the FBI 302 report form. I think she did say it. I think Cooper had worn a chute before. It's speculation but based on evidence: Tina's observation. Tina was not a chute expert but my symposium experiment showed that difficulty in donning an NB8 (which differs inconsequentially from an NB6 in form) is readily apparent to non experts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Lee, In the Thailand 727 jump film I think the stairs are actually removed leaving just an open door and a passage to the outside. Stairs get in the way of rapid sequential exits of multiple jumpers. No big deal though. Look at the photo of the military jumper at the bottom of the 727 stairs during the FBI sled drop tests. No obvious bouncing or even big wind blast. I think it was pretty stable and reasonably calm down there. I can give a believeable scenario that puts Cooper under an open canopy. After that, it gets a lot more problematic. Safe landing, yeah its possible. Rendezvous with a ground accomplice? Now that's a really tough one. Cooper wasn't in control of the flight path. No radio was seen onboard. So how does the accomplice find Cooper? I love the walkie talkie idea, but it's a bias tied to my fascination with wireless. There is no evidence that Cooper jumped with any kind of radio gear. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Hell yes. Jo that borders on a paranoid delusion. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote about Dan Well he sure knows Griffin Jo. I hate to pop your balloon, but Griffin is Dans home airport. It's where he keeps his magnificent DC 3. And Dan, if you are still reading, the Learstar was the modded Lodestar. We could go over 300 mph. "Lockheed 1XRay, say again aircraft type." ATC database showed it as a Lockheed 18 Lodestar. They saw the speed and said no way. I was just a very green kid in the right seat. A landing in a gusty crosswind wiped out any delusions I had about being able to handle the plane on my own. There was some fast foot and yoke dancing going on i can tell you that much. You big tail dragger pilots got some justified bragging rights. McCoys downfall was a remark he made to a cop friend about Coopers 200K being too small saying he should have asked for 500K. I can't see McCoy doing that if he were Cooper. McCoy sure had the skills though. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

In past posts I proposed a similar scenario for a much delayed undetected exit. I have him bouncing at the bottom, kinda testing the diving board, then climbing back up the stairs to mimimize the moment arm, then jumping from that higher position. The crew thinks he has already jumped and pay little attention to further pressure transients. I am an EE though, not an aero or mech engineer. Hominid is the doorman, so to speak. He really dug deep on the mechanisms and the dynamics. Lets hear from him. And where are Hangdiver and Raz? Ident! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Dan. I gave a presentation at the Portland sympoisim explaining how Cooper could have ended up under a good chute. I like to think Cooper didn't crater and its very possible that he did not, so I don't need any convincing on that front. OK, say he landed alive and managed to evade searchers. Who the hell was he? I can find a few highly qualified Coopers: Peterson, Braden, Mayfield, McCoy, maybe even Norton from the Antioch DZ in CA, but I cant put any of them on the plane. How long are you gonna keep us hanging Dan? Yes, I've jumped a round at night. No big deal. I havent flown a Carvair. I have two hours of Learstar time though. Marla in a nun's habit? OMG. Farflung would blow an artery. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung gets all professional and piloty, but its a temporary diversion. Soon he will be back to his core self, nun lust and the like. Tell us again Farflung why you chose to sit in the front end of a nuke hauler with a bunch a smelly guys when you could have been in the left seat of a much cleaner Boeing, eating first class food spoon fed to you by gorgeous flight attendants just hoping to be at least considered for matrimony by a four striper. Oh, and the pay in that era was probaby 4-5x. At least you didnt have to skirt MOAs in your Boeing. You could fly real low too if you felt like it. Now back to Victor 23 and MEAs. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The chute intact might be worth more than if sold in pieces, hard to say. If its still packed and has bloodstains, the sky's the limit. People go crazy over momentos from famous crimes. I am a case in point. I never thought Id pay more than $20 for a twenty. I just can't solve Dan's riddle. Until I do, I think the chute is out there and still findable. Mysterious Musica Farnsworth, A DB Cooper author, thinks he went in as a no pull into soft ground and self buried. Jerry says no way. Top bidders paid around $6000 each for beat up twenties from Tena bar. I bet the chute is worth a fortune. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

There are two RIDDLERS in Gotham City. Time to call BATMAN. Light up the searchlight. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Unless I landed in my own back yard I'd stash it and walk out chuteless. I don't think I'd want to be toting a chute right after a parachute skyjack just took place and the suspect was still at large. True, there was a significant period of time between when the jump occurred and the public knew about it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I did, once, a few years ago. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Dan, In your Cooper scenario, is his chute still out there somewhere in the LZ? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Clam? Clam? Be a Dungeness crab Farflung. Mobile, aggressive, feared and respected. Just like you, but down a rung or two on Darwin's ladder. Pretty damned tasty too. Ask Amazon. Glad to see you back Orange.

Bob Knoss wrote to Jo There you go. So civil. So refined. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Knoss wrote (about Duane) Excuse me Bob, TRUSTED? You must be kidding. TRUSTED to do what? More two bit thieving and screwups that would lead to an arrest and conviction? TRUSTED not to steal $200,000 in cash if by some miracle he got his thieving hands on it? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bob, Why do you get nasty so suddenly? I am referring to the title of your post. Try to stay civil, its not so hard. You sure were an obedient boy. You refuse the draft, but obey orders from a "Commander"? So they take a draft dodging kid and order him to be the record keeper for a very secret and sinister covert illegal domestic op... is that logical? Couldnt they find someone a little more qualified and aligned with their goals? And McCoy goes to prison rather than call you as a witness who will exonerate him? McCoy hated prison enough to die trying to get out and stay out. If he could have avoided it by exposing your program why didnt he do that? Ted Braden got out of an AWOL/desertion case and dodged a dishonorable discharge by playing some card, why wouldnt McCoy? Why would the govt let McCoy be imprisoned if he was part of a program? When you burn an operative by putting him in prison you sure increase the chances that he will rat out the program. So many logical inconsistencies in your story Bob, including your impractical unworkable ideas about Duooper's (Duane and Cooper merged) parachutes. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Did you see how quickly Quade shuts down other DBC forum threads? Super fast. Is he watching all the time? Maybe he gets some notice when a new thread is opened. Dan, why keep us in suspense? If you know who Cooper was just why not disclose it? Maybe you could make a deal with Marla to let her sell through a first printing before you ruin her LDC story. A girl's got to make a living ya know. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hey Bob Knoss, How did you get Quade to let you back on? You know why I am asking. I disagree with your DBC story, but its fine with me that you are back here as long as you are courteous. Maybe there is even hope for Jamie Cooper. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Dan, you surely must have felt just a little compassion for Jo. She isnt 100% sure about Duane being Cooper, just 99.999% sure. I think she could accept the truth if it turned out someone else was DBC. It would be hard, but she could handle it. I think her inquiry to you is a good thing, not a mockable thing. It shows that she still has some doubts, which is rational because she has no definitive proof, just "poofs." Personally I hope Jo finds out the truth soon so she can stop obsessing about Duane being Cooper and enjoy her remaining years doing something more productive and fun. If you can help her make the transition please do it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Age is really hard to estimate visually. Witnesses make big errors. I saw that a lot during my criminal defense work. How many of the symposium attendees would have estimated Marla's age as 48? BTW Jo, the witnesses told the FBI that Cooper was in his 40s as far as I can recall. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't knock Poincare. The Poincare Function can be used in the detection and classification of potentially fatal heart arrythmias. Poincare rocks. Chaos theory and Poincare's math make a potent duo. I am married to a mathematician. The Cooper case is an entertainment engine. It produces energy by burning some undefinable psychic fuel. It is perpetual motion. Deathray was right. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.