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Jo wrote: huh??? There was NO jumping at Alcatraz CA either. I had this information from another source and a second source has stated the same thing. There was a womens prison not too far from my original DZ in 1968. Many thought about jumping into that facility but there was plenty of action around the DZ. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Since when did Jo Weber take direction from the FBI? I keep asking you to prove two claims (that Duane had jumped and that he received Ranger training). Your response is that the FBI told you that you had to put him in the plane. I'd be flabbergasted if you could put Duane in ANY plane from which he exited by parachuting, even a Cessna. Tease, dodge, riddle, we all know your tune by heart. We've been listening to it for years. Also, you seem to think that FBI errors in accounting for Duanes incarceration history are evidence of a "Duane was Cooper" coverup. Has incompetence ever crossed your mind as a more likely explanation? Who cares about the details of his McNeil time? It does nothing to prove he was Cooper. Put him in a chute Jo. Stop this endless teasing, dodging and riddling. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Put Duane in a chute Jo. Prove the Ranger training claim. Putting Duane in WA doesn't cut it. I got a kick out of Jerry describing Georger as a "father with a mother syndrome". Perhaps all men should aspire to that. I wish Georger would explain his "miracle". Riddling seems to be contagious but you can't catch diseases over the Internet. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo loves speaking in riddles. "drops" ???? Are you contacting passengers Jo? Pardon me for asking you to forsake riddles for plain English... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Jo, Are you seriously contending that Georger has a personal connection with Tina? If he did, why would he give you any hints that had such a connection? Here is a statement of yours I think anyone could agree with: It conveys no specific information, but since something is always going on in WA it is undeniably true. You are generous with generalities, sparing in specifics and downright stingy in proofs. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Another delusion you have is that anybody posting here besides Carr is an FBI agent. I think you are joking about Georger but you think the FBI is conspiring to hide the truth about Cooper. They want the truth just as much as you do Jo. It is a nagging embarrasment that they cannot solve Norjack. They'd love to fix that and have a 1000 batting average on skyjackers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange's post was interesting and sure applies to Jo. I once read about confirmation bias playing a role in airliner crashes when pilots disregard or delay acting on information (eg from instruments or warning lights or audible alarms) that conflicts with what they think is correct. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Details Georger? Glad for your good fortune. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How about putting Duane in a chute? You've said that he jumped, how about proving it? If you can prove Duane was Cooper just cut to the chase and skip all these "phases." You seem to be equivocating about whether you can put Duane on the plane. I actually take that as a good sign, more in touch with reality. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, You seem to be tossing Jo and Sluggo into the same barrel. Are you sure that's justified? Sluggo is hardly a Jo promoter... far from it if you look at the substance of his posts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger is a bulldog on this issue, but he has good reason to be. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Anyone know if he spoke French? That Dan Cooper comic book theme keeps popping up. I guess that would make it triple reverse psychology if Snowmobile Cooper used the name of a comic book Cooper on his ticket. What rules out Ted Braden? Anything solid? I think it's significant that Waugh and other SOG guys think Braden was Cooper. Those guys did unique SOG parachute ops in Vietnam: night, bad viz, rainy weather, HALO and hostile terrain below. That's NOT a common jump profile anywhere else as far as I know. You agree Jerry? Only an ignorant fool or someone VERY well trained and highly experienced would try it domestically in Cooper's November 71 weather, at least in my opinion. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If this guy was flying drugs he may have known something about parachutes even if he never jumped. There was a lot of crossover between jumpships and pot haulers in the 60s and 70s, especially with Lodestars and Beech 18s. Some bales were dropped by chute using Sentinel AADs so that the plane could be flying high and the chutes would open low. More than a few low paid jump pilots supplemented their incomes flying "vegetables." I've always thought it unlikely that Norjack was Dan Cooper's first serious crime, so bad guys like Braden, Mayfield and Snowmobile Cooper are more viable candidates in my eye than men with all the requisite skills but no criminal background. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What are the chances Dan Cooper would use his real last name? I'd say very very small, but you never know. There is the old "double psychology" angle. The Canada Cooper sounds kinda interesting. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Quade can thank us for supplementing his title: "The world's most bored and boring skydiver." He's now got ALL the boredom bases covered. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote DROPs??? You gonna jump Jo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nahh, almost everyone here would be very pleased to see the case solved. I sure would. So would Sluggo, Georger and the vast majority of the other regulars. It's not like there is any shortage of unsolved mysteries. DB Cooper adds to the mystique of parachuting. That aura won't disappear if the case is solved. I DO think we'll be able to prove Duane Weber was not Dan Cooper. The trial isn't over yet. Also I am sure the FBI has at least some crucial evidence they are withholding to be able to filter out pretenders. They might already have ways to rule out Duane, Barb and other wannabes. Meanwhile this forum is a source of comradarie and entertainment. No harm is done here besides a few ego bruises now and then. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That sounds really interesting Jerry. I wish Amazon would take the invitation to visit. I think after ten minutes and two bourbons you two would agree that each other had military jump experience. It's funny how you can miss things in the wilds. When my boy was 4 I read him a local newspaper story about robbers in San Francisco in the late 1800s who operated out of caves in an urban canyon. The caves still existed wrote the author and were formed by big boulders rather than being limestone caverns. My boy went nuts. "Daddy, we HAVE to find those robbers caves, there might be buried treasure." Fortunately the canyon area had been preserved as an urban wildland park. Weekend after weekend we scoured the area which was a beautiful canyon with a pristine creek running through it. There was thick brush and brambles off the trails. We searched and searched over many Saturdays to no avail. One day, looking through binoculars up towards the far rim, which was lit up by the sun, I caught a glimpse of a black hollow area amidst the huge rocks. I'd looked there many times before and saw absolutely nothing. The hunt was on. We had to cut through brush and thorny berry vines and work our way up, but when we got there we had obviously found the robbers caves. A few beer cans showed that others had been here too, but my son didn't even notice them. We entered a large "room" through a small gap between huge boulders. Further in there was a smaller hole into another chamber which would have been a tight fit for me but not for my boy. When he wasn't looking I tossed some coins into the next chamber. I didn't give any hints as he was a savvy skeptical kid. He told me he wanted to go further in and I tried to discourage him. He persisted, entered the next chamber and screeched with delight as he dug up coins from the layer of fine dirt which lined the floor. "Buried treasure Daddy, REALLY" he shouted. He was ecstatic with excitement. He left no coins unfound. We left after an hour and worked our way back to the trail. Many hikers familar with the area don't believe our story, but it's true. Sometimes things are hidden in plain sight. Jo would like that. Amazon and Jerry, go have a beer or bourbon together, settle your doubts about each others jump credentials and trade ideas about how we might solve this mystery. You both have a lot to offer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Agree with the above. Students often scuff up gear until they get better at landing. DEFINITELY wait until you are licensed before buying and get lots of opinions b4 plunking down any money. I've seen soooo many students make bad choices in gear and prices paid. I think a Triathlon is a great canopy for beginners that will also serve you well as an expereinced jumper, just keep the wing loading safe. I jump one and I love it. There are many other fine canopies out there too. Good luck and keep us posted. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo writes: And a thousand cheating skydivers sigh in relief... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Brevity G, brevity. You have a solid propagation path and a strong signal. QSZ? NO. 73, 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo says: I agree, so let's have it. What is the truth? How long will you delay in revealing it Jo and why delay another minute? And Jo I really hope you dont think the FBI removed the inmate smoke jumper photo you claimed to have seen on the Internet. That kind of thinking borders on true paranoia, in fact it hits it dead center. BALONEY! Even the FBI wants the case solved. If you provide evidence and it doesnt convince people it is because it is of the same grade all your prior stuff is, equivocal, ambiguous, contingent and everything else that is short of really solid probative evidence. Jo, if you think Duane was Cooper give us the kind of evidence that could support a criminal conviction, PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Prosecutors had no trouble coming up with it for Duane's many prior cases. Why all of a sudden would Duane, a bumbling crook who gets repeatedly caught by local cops and convicted again and again, suddenly change into a criminal mastermind who eludes the best federal crime fighters in the business? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Really Jo, do tell us. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger says: If I confess to being a "Jo co-" can I go to some posh rehab, maybe one where Hollywood starlets go? Maybe I can work this out on Jerry Springer and save some bucks that are better spent on lift tickets. Georger, this is entertainment. Without an audience how can you have a show? Oops, I think I just made Georger's point. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, no backtracking now, you said that they were depicted in smoke jumper gear. Prisons dont have jump gear, so IF you are correct they must have been inmate smoke jumpers. You said the caption was in line with this. I say there never were any inmate smoke jumpers. All you have is a memory and a "poofed" news photo. I have done a lot of web searching and correspondance with former smoke jumpers. It's not like smoke jumping has murky records. They documented their history quite thoroughly. Nowhere in that well documented history is there a single mention of inmate smoke jumpers. Not one smoke jumper I contacted had any knowledge of such a program. It makes ZERO sense that such a program would even be contemplated let alone put into action, yet you continue to believe that it was. Prisoners often fought wildfires on the ground, but they didnt parachute in to do it. Why all the drama about "saying too much?" What will happen to you if you say too much and who will do it? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.