rhino

WOW...... Enough Said................ I would very much like to meet you some day. i admire people of integrity and good judgement. I admire unselfish people like yourself that don't make excuses but rather make responsible decisions. You put your child first.. First class parenting material you are. A first class human being you are... Thank you for sharing.. Robert

Do we have any idea when the first brain wave occurs?

IT is a human being.. A helpless child that depends on the woman carrying it to LIVE UP TO HER RESPONSIBILITY.

Do you honestly believe everything you read in a dictionary. Men and women that have OPINIONS wrote that book. Just because you quote it in the websters dictionary doesn't make it fact..

You are right.. This is off topic... I do a number of things. I donate to Saint Jude every month. We sponsor a number of children in our country and in others. I volunteer my time as a mentor to children without fathers. I sell legal plans to foster parents across the country to help in any way that I can. I then in turn donate a portion of that income to local churches. That is the parent's job. The parent of the pregnant child. Or the father of the child. Or the mother's job. What? Is she helpless because she is pregnant? If she is old enough to get pregnant she can get a damned job. Not to mention the father of the child has responsibilites as well. If he is a dead beat she chose poorly and should have done her homework better. What about you? What do you do to help other than take your girls to pro-abortion rallies? Rhino

What does it mean to you?

1. More fathers would get a say so in their childrens lives. Fathers should have equal rights when it comes to their children you know. 2. Do you think they do it because they enjoy it? Why don't you phone Hitler. He killed millions of innocent people too. You two have the same mindset. 3. Maybe people should have to take a common sense test to see if they should even be able to get pregnant? Maybe you would have failed? 4. Systems have a way of adapting. I am certain that those children will appreciate the chance at a life. Their lives that you so obviously take for granted. 5. Maybe if PARENTS did their jobs to begin with their kids wouldn't do such stupid things. Root Cause is bad parenting. Fix the root cause don't abort the babies because the parents are stupid. 6. true.. 7. And they will suffer the consequences. 8. true..

What part of the fact that an unborn child in todays day and age had less rights then a dog don't you understand? It is my business what fellow human beings do to unborn children. It is very much my business as we are all part of humanity.

My impression is that limited intelligence is lurking? You are comparing a human being to a virus? This isn't the matrix you know.. Maybe you should take a good look at what being a parent means to you..

This is your opinion yes..

Just because a baby can't sustain life on it's own doesn't mean it isn't alive and functioning.. Viability is irrelevant. The act is the same. Rhino

Animals don't speak to us yet their are animals rights? The helpless can't speak so they don't have rights? Is that what I am hearing from you? What in the hell does the atmosphere have to do with it? If you get in a car accident. Go in a Coma and can't breath in our atmosphere without help from a machine let's take away your rights.. After all. You can't speak and tell us what you think so you don't have rights.. My take is you knew what you were getting into when you started. If you go back on your decision you are in the wrong and have no right to be a parent to begin with. I believe SOME women get the GOD complex. It's my body and I will do what I want to.. Well.. Once again judgement day will come for all of us someday.. I wonder if God will emplant you in a woman that is hell bent on protecting her right to have an abortion and let you see what it is like. You know 4 months along, with feelings, a brain, a heart beat, feeling the comfort of your mother. Then suddenly the unthinkable happens.. The abortion process begins as youy little helpless lungs try and scream but they can't. You see the Doctor can't hear you scream. It's all in your head. But they don't care as they can't "hear" you. You are helpless. Scared to death and being pulled apart piece by piece and in pain. So innocent, so young, so helpless.. But who gives a fuck about you.. You aren't even born yet, you can't breath the free air, and you will never be given the chance because your mom wants to exercise her right to choose for you.. Your entry into this planet has been denied. You don't get to feel love.. The warmth of your mother or fathers touch. You don't get to experience the sunlight. Or a bed time lulliby. Nothing.. Because you couldn't speak for yourself. You have less rights than a dog.. Viability is irrelivant.. The act is the same.. In the case bill mentioned I'm not sure that without a brain a baby could feel pain or even has a soul.. I don't know that information.. Without lungs could still be saved. We have breathing machines and transplants.

What about the unborn childs rights...

This is IMPOSSIBLE to know.. Babies survive every day that should be dead. Helen Keller was a pretty interesting character as well.. Does a blind and deaf child fit in the "eject" category? Some day we will know if our unborn children are blind and deaf I am sure.. Rhino

Things that make you go hmmmmmm

I believe that BOTH parents should have to sign a consent in order for the procedure to take place. IF the woman doesn't know who the father is she should be prohibited from doing it until DNA testing confirms who the father is and a consent form is signed by the to be father.

once again interesting.. You have that right Millions of aborted babies never will.... I think I am done here..

Understood... Would you agree that millions of aborted babies had they been given the chance to grow to be old enough to be given the same choice you were glad to have had would have been glad to be born? Don't you agree that it's about time to protect the innocence? Shouldn't they be protected? Shouldn't SOME steps be taken? I believe so... I respect your opinion wholeheartedly however. I just respect an unborn childs right to live even more. Rhino

I admire you misskriss.........

Did you have the abortion before or after your 9 year old was born?

I honestly didn't think I would ever hear you say such a thing.. Interesting..

YOU MAKE A DAMNED GOOD POINT..

I am sure you are glad. That was your decision. Your unborn child never had that luxury. Care to share your "reason" for having an abortion? If not I understand...

I can't make that choice for you.. It's your choice.. If you had high blood pressure it would have likely been known before you were pregnant would it not? If their is a "chance" for the babies survival even if it means putting the mother at risk than I would proceed with the pregnancy.. However.. I am not a woman. And the argument will surely come up that I need to shut the hell up because I don't have a vagina and "could never understand".. I'd have to disagree.. I do understand.. If my wife were in that position I would do anything to trade places with her. Ultimately again it is her decision and not mine. Bearing a child is risky business. I understand that.. In fact had c-sections not been in practice I would have lost my wife 10 months ago when our son was born. I would have lost both of them. Knowing that I myself was born 3 months early. That's right.. At 6 months into the pregnancy I was born because my real father beat my mother into labor because he himself didn't want me.. I am thankful he didn't succeed.. My children are thankful he didn't succeed. What an amazing life I have had because I was given the chance to live it. My real father THOUGHT what he was doing at the time was the right thing to do. He was wrong.. I do not judge anyone for getting an abortion or having done so. The only person in this world that I can hold accountable for their actions is myself. All I can do is tell you what I would do and why that is the case. In doing so maybe someone will get an alternative viewpoint of which to base their decisions in the future. I do not support abortion. Not in the case of rape, accidental pregnancy, or even in the case that the mother could "potentially" die.. Their are very few definites in life. Again.. I am a man.. What the hell do I know right? All I can do is hold myself accountable. You each have to live with your own decisions. If my outlook rubs you the wrong way and you feel the need to defend yourself thats just too damned bad. If someone gets upset in this thread they probably don't feel to good about decisions they have made. You can not change the past. But you can change the future.. Rhino

Yes......... Why wouldn't I be?