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I admit, they were here first. This is, afterall, Missouri, the largest cattle producing state. Now that the word is out that I am prejudice on cattle (my dads side of the family are all hog farmers up by St. Joseph) I expect to see flaming branding irons in my front yard. Cattle in sheets calling for my lynching. The Ku Klux Kattle are not to be messed with here in the Ozarks. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Jen, as for the legal mj, my stand is that it should be treated the same as alcohol. 21 and over. If the legal age of alcohol consumption were to be lowered to 18 then I would say the same for mj, were it to be legal. I do agree that if it were lowered then much of the allure would cease. The problem that I think would come about is that many 18 yo are not as responsible enough as the same as many adults are not responsible enough when alcohol is involved. Alcohol does lower the inhibition level and people tend to do things they would never do sober. As for if Missouri had the same age limit as Illinois way back then we only would had had easier access to alcohol. Possibly, this country should had followed the European example when it comes to alcohol and drugs as they have shown that if implemented properly society does not collapse into a drunken, drugged out orgy. But, regardless of age limits, people will do just as they please. I might add that a friend back in the 70's his parents allowed us to drink and toke at their home. Car keys were taken and you stayed untill the next day. His mom always made a kickass breakfast. I would be fine if it was all left up to the parents as far as drinking goes in the home but, not at a tavern. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I have cattle on two sides of my place and horses on one. Maybe, I am prejudice against cattleLOL "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The numbers are actual and not twisted. Also, there is a reason that the military prefers young bodies and young minds, they are easier to mold. Consider the high percent of mental problems that soldiers are experiencing after returning from war and then giving them (under 21) easy access to alcohol will only accerlerate their problems. People often use alcohol (and drugs) as a coping tool only to spiral deeper into depression. I know a great deal on this subject as I had experienced it myself (7 suicide attempts while drunk). It is the main reason that I do not drink. I have no problem with someone drinking but, why back up on undoing the good that raising the drinking age has done? Furthermore, I was not steering towards an mj debate, only asking why you border one and advocate another. Alcohol has always been a major problem amongst teens. I recall several friends who died due to alcohol related incidents back when I was a teen in the 70's (I am 46yo, now). Living in St.Louis it was easy to go to Illinois to buy beer as the age limit was 19 and they seldom carded any one who remotely looked the age. We often dranked at bars in Granite City and then drive back to St.Louis. Far to many of us got hurt or died. Merely saying if someone can go to war they deserve to drink is foolish. There are far to many problems that young people have to deal with and wanting to add another log to the fire is irresponsible thinking. More stats for you to dispute. 2003 Alcohol-Related Traffic Fatalities Among Youth Under 21 2003 Alcohol-Related Traffic Fatalities Among 15-20 Year Old Drinking Drivers Alabama 70 35 Alaska 4 2 Arizona 76 24 Arkansas 44 19 California 257 74 Colorado 39 18 Connecticut 17 8 Delaware 10 6 District of Columbia 6 2 Florida 154 65 Georgia 68 26 Hawaii 19 7 Idaho 22 8 Illinois 113 43 Indiana 48 15 Iowa 34 14 Kansas 50 21 Kentucky 34 15 Louisiana 73 31 Maine 6 3 Maryland 47 22 Massachusetts 49 25 Michigan 81 33 Minnesota 40 15 Mississippi 45 21 Missouri 90 32 Montana 21 11 Nebraska 20 11 Nevada 34 8 New Hampshire 12 3 New Jersey 41 14 New Mexico 35 14 New York 92 38 North Carolina 78 34 North Dakota 14 9 Ohio 75 33 Oklahoma 36 16 Oregon 34 10 Pennsylvania 99 44 Rhode Island 14 7 South Carolina 63 30 South Dakota 25 6 Tennessee 70 33 Texas 342 137 Utah 8 4 Vermont 7 4 Virginia 60 28 Washington 58 22 West Virginia 26 10 Wisconsin 67 33 Wyoming 9 2 U.S. Total 2,834 1,146 Source: 2003 US Department of Transportation-National Traffic Highway Safety Administration-October 2004 "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The war to end all wars will be a full out nuclear war... life afterwards... nothing but cockroaches. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

One of your post from that thread... I am just wondering why you would have no problem with lowering the drinking age when alcohol has killed millions of people over the years while being on the fence about mj which has killed zero people over the years. Read on... the numbers speak for themselves... even the toll of all illicit drug deaths (not including mj) is far lower than alcohol. Annual Causes of Death in the United States Tobacco 435,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000 Alcohol 85,000 Microbial Agents 75,000 Toxic Agents 55,000 Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000 Suicide 30,622 Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000 Homicide 20,308 Sexual Behaviors 20,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000, Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600 Marijuana 0 (2000): "The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75,000), toxic agents (55,000), motor vehicle crashes (43,000), incidents involving firearms (29,000), sexual behaviors (20,000), and illicit use of drugs (17,000)." (Note: According to a correction published by the Journal on Jan. 19, 2005, "On page 1240, in Table 2, '400,000 (16.6)' deaths for 'poor diet and physical inactivity' in 2000 should be '365,000 (15.2).' A dagger symbol should be added to 'alcohol consumption' in the body of the table and a dagger footnote should be added with 'in 1990 data, deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in alcohol consumption deaths, but not in motor vehicle deaths. In 2000 data, 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in both alcohol consumption and motor vehicle death categories." Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.) Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241. (Average 1982-1998): According to Canadian researchers, approximately 32,000 hospitalized patients (and possibly as many as 106,000) in the USA die each year because of adverse reactions to their prescribed medications. Source: Lazarou, J, Pomeranz, BH, Corey, PN, "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies," Journal of the American Medical Association (Chicago, IL: American Medical Association, 1998), 1998;279:1200-1205, also letters column, "Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients," JAMA (Chicago, IL: AMA, 1998), Nov. 25, 1998, Vol. 280, No. 20, from the web at http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v280n20/ffull/jlt1125-1.html, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001. (2001): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2001, there were a total of 30,622 deaths from suicide in the US. Source: Arias, Elizabeth, Ph.D.; Robert N. Anderson, Ph.D.; Hsiang-Ching Kung, Ph.D.; Sherry L. Murphy, B.S.; Kenneth D. Kochanek, M.A.; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2001," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 50, No. 3 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, Sept. 18, 2003), Table C, p. 8, from the web at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf, last accessed Jan. 27, 2004. (2001): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2001, there were a total of 20,308 deaths from homicide in the US. Source: Arias, Elizabeth, Ph.D.; Robert N. Anderson, Ph.D.; Hsiang-Ching Kung, Ph.D.; Sherry L. Murphy, B.S.; Kenneth D. Kochanek, M.A.; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2001," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 50, No. 3 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, Sept. 18, 2003), Table C, p. 8, from the web at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf, last accessed Jan. 27, 2004. (2000): "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report." Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1242. (1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.) Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15sep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4. An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death. Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at http://www.samhsa.gov/; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

And now for the musical portion of this discussion... CHAMPAGN DON'T HURT ME BABY By the GREAT JERRY JEFF WALKER Champagne don't hurt me baby Cocaine don't drive me crazy Ain't nobody's business but mine.. Way down in Costa Rica Smoke my hash and drink my liquor Ain't nobody's business but mine Got the good life down in Belize They let folks do just as they please Ain't nobody business but mine Got a hammock strung between two trees Got a jug of Dom and a big ol' spleef And it ain't nobody's business but mine Champagne don't hurt me baby Cocaine don't drive me crazy Ain't nobody's business but mine Way down in Costa Rica Smoke my hash and drink my liquor Ain't nobody's business but mine It ain't nobody 's business kid Who in the world I do business with Ain't nobody's business but mine Ain't nobody's business sonny Where in the world I spend my money Ain't nobody's business but mine Champagne don't drive me crazy Cocaine don't make me lazy Ain't nobody's business but mine Said, way down in Costa Rica Smoke my hash and drink my liquor Ain't nobody's business but mine You drink your whisky Drink your wine Those narco boys will treat you fine It ain't nobody's business but mine Smoke that pot Or smoke that hash They'll find out where the good stuff's stashed And it ain't nobody's business but mine Champagne don't hurt me baby Cocaine don't make me crazy Ain't nobody's business but mine Yeah, way down in Costa Rica Smoke my hash and drink my liquor Ain't nobody's business but mine Ain't nobody's business but mine........ "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The answer to global warming "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Why not sue cattle as well as they contribute just as much to the greenhouse effect. I am proposing that each and every cow be fitted with a catalytic converter. That should do it. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Are you not the same person who has a problem with legalizing mj for adults (21yo)? Why make it easier for teens to drink? Not that the 21 age limit keeps teens from drinking but, why so easy on this and not legal mj for responsible adults? Make it easy for teens to get booze and surely the death toll on the roads will go up, violence amongst teens will rise amongst a number of other social woes. Why make it easier for a teen to start pickling their liver? There is a reason for 21 and above. Why go into reverse? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Pic of Willie's weed and shrooms on hood of cop car http://www.mapinc.org/images/williepot.jpg From NORML; The article at NORML http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v06/n1244/a08.htm?134 "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

He should start carrying lots of Ozium "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Them crazy senior citizens Willie makes no secret of his toking. Hell, he's on the board at NORML. You can hear him speak at http://www.norml.org/ Must admit, I am abit surprised about the magic shrooms. Happy to hear he was released and "on the road again". "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Actually it was directed towards Amazon. A great account on steam engineering can be found in Principles of Naval Engineering, NAVPERS 10788-B. One should also take a look at Hero's (Greek mathematician) steam engine invented more than 2000 years ago. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

And now your fact checking is even worse. Combustion is the operative word, are you going to try and tell me the fire is inside the water/ steam system? Actually steam engines are External Combustion Heat Engines "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The Pope is not responsible for the outcome. He is, however, responsible for his speech. For someone in such a position as his to use ancient text without clarifaction to his intent for using such is irresponsible. I honestly believe that he did not intend for it to be recieved in the manner that it was but, in a world in which so much is twisted, those in power should choose their words extremely carefully or accept the outcome as everything slants the wrong way. I also believe that certain clerics are only waiting for something like this to use as a tool to incite rage. For that, they are responsible not the Pope. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

In most households dogs ARE at the top of the ladder. Tell me, when was the last time you saw a dog pick up people poop? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

For all that Ford was (or not) he did have some amazing visions of the future. Unfortunately the good ones were not realized. Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline 8-15-5 Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941. http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them. As an alternative to methanol, hemp has at least one glowing report: the plant produces up to four times more cellulose per acre than trees. And a hemp crop grows a little quicker than a forest. As for an alternative to petroleum... Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable. Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil. Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes. Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning. Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel. Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol. Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed to people like, say, the Bush family. And that,s why hemp might not go anywhere as a fuel alternative. Oil interests are big and donate likewise to politicians, and selling a man on an idea that will cost him more than he,ll benefit requires an amazingly skilled orator -- or a gun. Unfortunately, unless you,re the federal government, gunpoint conversions are usually illegal. Ergo, PR is about the best bet right now. There are many people working hard on this front, including the Hemp Car and its intrepid crew. Currently ginning up for a trans-America evangelism tour, the Hemp Car plans to spread the good word of hemp-fuel viability at stops in both the U.S. and Canada. For whatever good it will do, they should make sure to stop by Washington, D.C., and have a word with President George W. Bush. The current oil crisis and our nation,s dependency on sometimes-persnickety foreign sources might find the new chief executive with an open mind to fuel sources other than Texas tea -- regardless of his oily bank accounts. And, while salvaging his dad's legacy is not Goal 1 for Dubya, it might also help him look more forward thinking in terms of energy policy and the environment. Of course, hemp fuel may never take off. It might dry up like all those hemp crops left unattended after the feds banned their cultivation in the 1930s. One way or the other, Bush should consider freeing up the market to innovate with alternative fuels like hemp oil -- it couldn,t hurt, and it stands the chance to help. In so doing, he,ll end his term with a far better moniker than the "environmental president." For, if other policy decisions he makes go in a similar direction, we can perhaps call him the "free-market president." http://www.rockhawk.com/gasoline_and_hemp.htm Fuel of the Future When Henry Ford told a New York Times reporter that ethyl alcohol was "the fuel of the future" in 1925, he was expressing an opinion that was widely shared in the automotive industry. "The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that sumach out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost anything," he said. "There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for a hundred years." Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated. Ford's optimistic appraisal of cellulose and crop based ethyl alcohol fuel can be read in several ways. First, it can be seen as an oblique jab at a competitor. General Motors had come to considerable grief that summer of 1925 over another octane boosting fuel called tetra-ethyl lead, and government officials had been quietly in touch with Ford engineers about alternatives to leaded gasoline additives. Secondly, by 1925 the American farms that Ford loved were facing an economic crisis that would later intensify with the depression. Although the causes of the crisis were complex, one possible solution was seen in creating new markets for farm products. With Ford's financial and political backing, the idea of opening up industrial markets for farmers would be translated into a broad movement for scientific research in agriculture that would be labelled "Farm Chemurgy." 2 Why Henry's plans were delayed for more than a half century: Ethanol has been known as a fuel for many decades. Indeed, when Henry Ford designed the Model T, it was his expectation that ethanol, made from renewable biological materials, would be a major automobile fuel. However, gasoline emerged as the dominant transportation fuel in the early twentieth century because of the ease of operation of gasoline engines with the materials then available for engine construction, a growing supply of cheaper petroleum from oil field discoveries, and intense lobbying by petroleum companies for the federal government to maintain steep alcohol taxes. Many bills proposing a National energy program that made use of Americas vast agricultural resources (for fuel production) were killed by smear campaigns launched by vested petroleum interests. One noteworthy claim put forth by petrol companies was that the U.S. government's plans "robbed taxpayers to make farmers rich". http://www.hempcar.org/ford.shtml "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Oh, come on now, Henry Ford? The world could had done without him. He embraced Nazism, dispised organized labor and hated Jews with a passion. The world would had moved along just fine without his kind. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Clinton pushed for a "Global New Deal"(fashioned after Roosevelts "New Deal") which he spoke of in a speech to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. A push for a New World Money Order that would feed and house, as well as supply medicine and training for economic growth to those that such has been denied. Maybe he was viewed as a Global Socialist and not inline with the dark scheme of the Fascist Elite to withhold from the needy until they fall in line and do has they're told without question. Clinton is veiw by the neocons as but a stumbling block between Bush1 and Bush2. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

There is probaly more truth there than one would want to realize. Somehow it all ties into the NWO agenda (truth? or conspiracy?). Freemasons, Illumanaties, Skull and Bones? They all connect. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archive_new_world_order.html "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

In such violent times, one should choose their words carefully, regardless if they are their own or qouted from text. Though, I do not believe he spoke them in the manner in which they were recieved, he is responsible for them, none the less. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Et'slay akemay igpay atinlay ethay officialway anguagelay asway itway isway osay uchmay unfay otay eakspay itway! (Translation; Let's make pig latin the official language as it is so much fun to speak it!) "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The New World Order. One government, one religion for the planet. Some say it is only conspiracy theory but, if you were to research it, it can be traced back to before WW1 and the Bush family amongst other industrialist were deep in bringing it to reality. Bush1 spoke of it becoming reality after Desert Storm. Bush2 has spoke of it. Aldous Huxley outlined what the world would be if the NWO was realized in his book Brave New World. Orwell's 1984 is another book based on the NWO. What is shocking is the extent that the Bush family has gone to in order to push the agenda of one government. Google Bush and the New World Order. Conspiracy? or Truth? Decide for yourself. George Herbert Walker Bush "[The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a New World Order can emerge." -- George Herbert Walker Bush President of U.S., CFR Director, Trilateralist, CIA Director, Yale Skull & Bones Society before Congress on September 11, 1990 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is the SACRED principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance." -- George Herbert Walker Bush US President, CFR Director, CIA Director February 1, 1992 Source: Speech at the UN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...The age of nations must end... The governments of the nations have decided to order their separate sovereignties into one government to which they surrender their arms." -- United Nations' World Constitution "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

For the last couple of weeks I have been following the trail of the Bush family fortune and it is amazingly disturbing. Somehow it led to this piece. There is so much that has been revealed, one only need to take the time to read through all of it. http://www.newworldorder.org/ "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young