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Here, Roy Moore undoubtedly knew better than anyone about the colleral bar rule and how it works. ---------- THIS is what I find most ironic about this case. Whether or not the monument itsself was legal, what he did was absolutely not. He represents our legal system, and his arguement goes against the very establishment and principles that he has sworn to uphold. I heard his attorney say something to the effect that they believe that the law is the constitution, not how a few people interpret it...isn't that exactly what we paid him to do??? What an ass. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I'll bring the carrots... :-) _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

spankings??? spankings??? I'll be right over...

Hello there chop chop How I have missed you greatly My rectum quivers -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I agree with the second two, too...except for the violence part. :-) There would have been hell to pay, though. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I agree with the first two replies... The best resonse is a calm one, though. Remember when they were doing experiments on criminals, making them go to the people they had wronged and appologize? Most said they would have preferred jail time. If you are mean to them, they just think that you are a dick and that their actions aren't that bad because they figure you had it coming to you. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

What I am saying is that when you give a certain amount of input, you are creating a certain amount of energy to a given motion. Depending on what you have presenting itsself to the body and how that body is presenting its energy to the outside forces, will affect the vectors of the energy dispersement...not destroy the energy. What I see in your arguements is that the energy will simply disappear, being that you are not moving forward in relation to the ground. What I am saying, though, is that the energy has to go somewhere. I do believe that there is a difference between the wind being presented to the front of the wing and to the top or bottom of the wing. If you are in straight and level flight, and you have a head wind, the lift that the canopy is creating is not being cancelled out by anything. If, though, by presenting the source of that lift to the wind for an extended period of time, as in a carving turn, the lift is being cancelled out by the headwind, and thus changing the recovery arc. The energy within the arc remains the same, but is going to change based on the resistance that the canopy gets in movement one way or another. Like you said earlier, if the wind were presented to the top skin, it would collapse the canopy. It doesn't collapse it, but it does change the pressurization and flight characteristics, which is one of the reasons that airplane analogies are not perfect. Also, again, we are not talking about airspeed...we are still talking about ground speed, in so much as we are using the ground as a point of reference for the decent. We are just not talking about horizontal ground speed. If we are talking about airspeed, then the canopy thinks that it is recovering into the air whether it is recovering relative to the ground or not. Again, it is like hitting a downdraft. If one is in straight and level flight and hits a downdraft, that will affect the canopy. It will depressurize the canopy, it will change its flight. When you make a turn into the wind, and you present the top skin, you are essentially presenting it to what would be comparable to a down draft in straight and level flight...if the wind is not high, your added speed from the carving turn will render the difference mostly unnoticable...but, if the wind is high in relation to your added speed, then it can affect the pressurization of your canopy and thus make your decent faster and your recovery arc will change. I have always been taught, and felt that it is necessary to change the altitude of your turn based on a few factors, including: temperature, altitude, terrain (for thermals), and wind...just to name a few. I have heard mixed reports about what wind can do to an approach, from, "you can start your hook lower" to "you can start your hook higher", but what I had not heard until yesterday, was "start it at the same altitude". I think it's an interesting thing to think about, but I am just not convinced, from past discussions and personal experience, that that is the case. I dunno what else to say. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I'm just saying that given inconsistencies in data that I'd err on the manufacturers side. ----------------- I did call a manufacturer and test pilots... If I am right, and people believe you, they may hit the ground. If I am wrong, and they believe me, they will curse my name as they plane out high from a turn or two and then bring it down a little bit. I prefer the sound of the second one... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Do you agree that wind has no affect on a canopy's airspeed? --------------- I agree to the point that in straight and level flight, as in the examples of an airplane that you have used, that the airspeed is not affected by wind. I disagree with this analogy being used, though, because we are not talking about wind being presented horizontally to the canopy, we are talking about what would be more comparable to a thermal or a downdraft presented to a wing. Further, what we are talking about is really another form of ground speed, as we are using the ground as a point of reference...I don't think that the question was asked because the person is concerned about the actual airspeed of a turn at high altitude, rather I believe that it was asking about how fast the canopy is going to approach the ground on landing. ----------------------- If it were true that a canopy descends more in a turn when there is wind, then aircraft would descend and even climb faster (fpm) dependant on the wind, they don’t. ---No, this is not able to be concluded from my argument...it is referring to horizontal wind being presented to the front or rear of an aircraft wing in basic flight, not a dynamic turn. Have you seen the video of the porter flying next to the free-flyer? The porter descends at the same rate, regardless of the wind, as it circles the free-flyer. ---Here you are talking about a heavy, fixed wing aircraft and not taking into account the amount of time that the top side of the wing is presented to the wind, and the added inertia that the aircraft has while diving at 160 mph, thus making it more or less susceptible to variances in speed, etc. The lift created by a fixed wing is going to differ from the lift created by a canopy that is susceptible to pressure changes through different points of its flight. One can go on and on with the differences between aircraft flight and canopy flight...although, it is similar, it is not exactly the same, so cannot necessarily be used to illustrate perfectly a principle of canopy flight. A helicopter hovering next to a hot air balloon that is moving 20 mph over the ground will show zero airspeed, regardless of the direction it is pointed. ---Again, wind being presented horizontally to a wing in basic flight, not a dynamic turn. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I know Scott, know that he knows this stuff very well, and knows far more than I do. I know as well, though, that the people who I speak to are also very well schooled in swooping and canopy control. A) It is a pretty bold statement to say that he knows far more than my sources of information when we haven't discussed who my sources are. B) My girlfriend has a degree in astrophysics and is getting a masters in math, but I can add and multipy numbers in my head far faster than she can...she knows infinitely more in this area than I do, but amount of knowledge does not mean that someone is better in every aspect of the study at hand, or is always right. The only reason I continue this discussion is not to try to be right...this is a matter of safety; mine, and those reading these posts who are just learning. I will continue to try to reach the people with whom I have discussed this in the past, as well as others who are knowledgable and I respect. Blue Ones, Steve _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I don't feel bad at all, because I am not convinced that it is your point of view that needs grasping. I am not a stupid person, and have not discussed this issue with stupid or inexperienced people. I have tried to get a hold of these people to ask them again about this issue, but unfortunately have not been able to reach them. In the event that I am incorrect in how I remember our conversations going, I do not want to say, "so and so told me this and that". But, I believe whole heartedly that I remember the conclusions as they were presented. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Here is another example, using an airplane... In order for an airplane to go straight down, it must nose over past vertical, because if it simply turns down 90 degrees, the lift created by the wings will cause the plane to travel at an angle... A canopy creates lift...when the canopy is pointed towards the ground, the lift is created horizontally, based on the angle of attack of the canopy. Let's call this lift that it is creating "forward energy" in this case, because we are talking about the canopy being nose over in a carve. If there is no wind, this forward energy that is being created has nothing stopping its progression, so for every measure of energy that is created, it is spent on horizontal movement over the ground. Let's say that it is 20mph of wind speed that is created. Now, if that is being created pushing against 20 miles per hour of wind, that will not change your wind speed, but it will change your flight. Your foward vector will be reduced to zero (as relating to the energy that was specifically created by that lift), but the energy is not destroyed. As we remember from Junior High, energy is not created or destroyed, only changed in form. So, where does that lift that the canopy created go? It dispurses itsself into the other vectors of the canopies flight. When we are presented to the wind, the lift is no factor, but when we point that lift into said wind, then it is affected. The energy has to go somewhere, and there are two major vectors in the approach...forward drive and downward drive. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

We are not talking about ground speed here...I totally agree with you, that the ground speed will change, but the air speed will remain the same. Of course the canopy knows that wind is hitting the top skin...and the longer the top skin is presented to the wind, the more it will affect your decent. The only way, in a dive, that the canopy would not know the difference, is if the wind was coming straight up from the ground. That is not to say that the canopy will not dive if there is not wind presented to it...only that the wind can make a difference. Once you are presented back to the wind, after the turn, you have already created the speed and decent at which you are approaching the ground, and that is when the wind will not make a difference to your approach...before that, though, when you are changing your presentation to the wind, and your angle of attack, it will make a difference. Again, this is something to which I have given a lot of thought, and discussed at length with the people who taught me to swoop. As a matter of fact, this was one of the first lessons...in wind, for a carving turn, turn higher...for this very reason that I am trying to explain. Would you make the same turn altitude wise if you were going into the wind, landing with no wind, or going downwind? -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I presented an answer to the question that I believe to be true, based on my personal experience as well as the experience of my mentors. That experience is that in a long carving turn, you do lose more altitude at a faster rate when there is wind, because of the wind being presented to the top of the canopy. I offered the difference of the snap vs the carve as a point of reference. I believe the information was perfectly relevant to the conversation. I edited the post to try to make it more clear what I was trying to say...sorry if it was unclear, I hope it's better now. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

But, if you are doing a long, drawn out, carving turn, the top of your canopy will be presented to the wind longer than in a snapping turn (for example), thus making a difference to your decent rate in wind vs. no wind... In other words...wind will not make much difference to a snapping turn...but, will make a difference in a carving turn. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

A) If you're going to have something up your ass, why not make it look classy...pearls=class. B) I am trying to understand how the 3 that were pictured by themselves would work...could you please put them on and send pictures? C) There is nothing wrong with making a purchase at a porn store. D) Jumping makes a female much more sexy than lingerie ever could, if ya ask me... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Well, if everytime you masturbate, god kills a kitten, maybe that's what happens when people do anal or something... hmmm... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

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I think it means you want to sleep with your mother... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Did you get your "nurse" a nice little outfit to wear while she gives you the sponge baths? --------- She went on a cruise this weekend...she is SOOOOO making it up to me next week... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Ya know, I knew that this was fairly common, but this is amazing how many people have been through it. I was running off a landing and stepped wrong...felt a pop and that was that. It happened at the beginning of August, and just had the surgery on Wed. The doctor said that I should be able to jump in a few months. He prepared me for about 6 months of PT, though, but from everything else I have heard, it doesn't last that long. He said 3 weeks without more than 20 lbs. on it, and then it sounds like I can start to walk on it again with the brace. I can already bend it gently just to work it out, and surprisingly, it isn't hurting much at all at the moment (only took 1 vicadin today). I'm looking forward to unwrapping it tomorrow and getting in the shower. I think my family is looking forward to that too. :-) I wouldn't be too nervous...this really seems to be more of an inconvenience than anything. Anyway, good luck. -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

I guess I should have said, "or for those who would have asked if they had known."

Yay!!! Now to begin the long countdown until I can jump again... :-) Everything went great yesterday, for those of you who have asked. Thank you for your concern. I can't let on that I feel this good, though, cause I have to milk this for all the sponge baths that I can. -S PS - Drugs are good...m-kay... _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Gay sex... (never tried...just imagine I wouldn't be all that good) -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

Digitally pleasuring... -S _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...