skygirl1

I do not understand why it is so hard to comprehend what I am putting on the platter I DO support the death penalty.......I UNDERSTAND innocent people are in prison and were put to death...I guess to answer your question to the point, I do support it if innocent people die, AGAIN, our government and criminal justice system is not fail proof and I personally cannot change that. I am native american and do not believe in a CHRISTIAN GOD, but to anyone that does..EYE FOR AN EYE ring a bell " Mean people SUCK!"

totally agree

I cannot stand up for what the laws were before DNA, and yes, obviously there are death row inmates that are proving there innocence as we speak. There are general pop inmates that are innocent also! It is up to the inmate to appeal their conviction. The state is not going to do that for them. That IS why there are so many appeals granted at this point in time. At this point of this thread we are not talking about the initial conviction, we ( you and I) have been discussing appeals. I feel the way I do about the death penalty..nothing can change that. Obviously innocent people have died in our prison system...just as the victems whom were brutally murdered, raped, and pushing up daises right now. " Mean people SUCK!"

I also believe I read somewhere that at one point certain tribes in Africa would take the newborn baby girls and tie them to a tree to be eaten alive due to the fact they needed more male tribesman? That is a pretty awful death penalty don't ya think " Mean people SUCK!"

did not know that. Thanx for the info " Mean people SUCK!"

What if we later determine they were innocent after years of time went by? You don't seem to want to address that. BTW, many murderers are nerds, I've seen several convicted. As for the island thing, they made of movie about that concept; Papillon. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070511/ I have defended that with what I can with the DNA process that was enabled 15 years ago...it is up to the convicted to appeal and prove their case. That is why the death row inmates sit so long. I again repeat I was not talking about basic once in a life time murderers....I was talking about MASS MURDERERS..SERIAL KILLERS...CHILD RAPISTS-KILLERS- SERIAL RAPISTS...as far as the movie? Never saw it...graduated with my bachlor in 1995 " Mean people SUCK!"

Marsellus, one of those men who sat on a pardon board openly admitted to believing in the innocence of a man that he upheld the death penalty conviction on, a man named Tim Baldwin who was indeed executed - for a crime he likely did not commit. While I'm certain no one could argue that pedophiles and serial killers should be set free - it weighs heavy on my personal conscious that we live in a system where the life or death of a person is determined by men and women who are sometimes corrupt, who are always human and therefore prone to error, by lack of or the having of money, and the whims of elected officials - who may not want to appear soft on crime, etc etc etc. Totally understood. But the justice system is flawed. To get a jury of peers..those peers are questioned and grueled by both attorneys. Peers are dismissed and more brought in. The judge can have partial feelings...the jury can have partial feelings. We are all human and do have human emotion. That is why there is an appeal process. That is why it goes to Federal Court. And it goes on and on. Our justice system is flawed and it will never end. But I feel the way I do on the death penalty. " Mean people SUCK!"

totally agree that case was bum. I personally knew of an inmate in my cell hall that was convicted of raping and killing a female friend. The cops put on wigs and did an outside line up with _____put him at the end and he was obviously identified wrongly. He spent 20 years in that prison. DNA evidence came forth and he appealed. 3 years later his case was overturned and he could have walked out of that prison with a payment of 2 million dollars. He was jumped the next day by Black Gangsters, had to defend his life.....by throwing that inmate over the 4th tier. He is now serving a real life sentance for that conviction. Yes, our system is flawed. What system is not. Does that justify letting the inmates I cased above in caps living, breathing, and dying of old age in a comfortable bunk? I think not. Lifers do not care about anything. They kill each other, kill the guards protecting the public from them escaping.......and your paying for it! I would rather pay taxes to put them on death row in a solitary cell.......death row inmates do not go to general population. They may live another 10-20 years until our system fixies how many appeals...but the remainder of their lives is spent with NO CONTACT WITH ANYONE, in a single cell.....they're recreation period is in a cage not allowed contact with other inmates.....they are only allowed 1 visit per month....no personal cloths, seg loaves for food instead of 3 hots a day.....or bagged meals. Their remaining lives in that cell until put to death is pure hell............... " Mean people SUCK!"

I do honor your opinion. I felt the same way until I worked in the prison and saw what I saw. In college my thesis was on prison reform. There is none and never will be. The inmates run the prisons. If they want correcitonal officers to have a bad day, they will riot or kill. I only belive in the death penalty in cases where it is a brutal murder, a hight profile rapist, child killer-rapist and the chances of that perp doing it again are high. CHILD RAPISTS SERIAL KILLERS MASS MURDERERS If I could decide I would vote the above perps of the crimes to be dropped off on an island amongst themselves with no protection against each other, bags of seeds to feed themselves and let them do what they will do. But that will never happen. Why do people convicted of a felony of carrying 2 ounces of pot get sentenced to a MAX prison and never get out. They have to join up with a gang, kill a guard or another inmate to live.....be protected. They will recieve a life sentance for murder when they went to a max for pot. Then they take the max inmates and classify them to med security to make room for non-violent felons! It will never end. If the above crimes in caps where put to death with only one appeal......that would make room to classify inmates correctly and hopefully start to do something about our overloaded prisons. " Mean people SUCK!"

very true and correct. I was talking more of how China runs their prisons. The inmates cannot have t.v's or radios. They are not allowed to wear personal cloths. They eat bagged meals instead of being fed better than our millions of starving americans..I do not agreee with just killing to kill as far as the death penalty is concerned. I never stated that anywhere in this thread. To keep to the point...Lee's killer was brutal, the arson was an attempt to cover up the crime, and there was MO and Mens Rea. " Mean people SUCK!"

you are right on alot of points..from the non emotional side of it I do agree with you. I donot belive every murder should be put to death. Some of the most non-violent inmates were sentenced to life for murder. A one time crime they would not commit again. But those murders were a crime of passion, not-planned with no MO (modus operandi). Lee's death was brutal and not a crime of passion, the perp was not in immenant danger. It was more planned, more brutal throughout the night and evidence was trying to be covered up by the arson commited. There was total Mens Rea ( criminal thinking) In order to be sentenced to death or life, there has to be proof of MO and Mens Rea. Who here can deny that Lee's murderer did not have that? Who can deny the brutalness to it? Who can deny the attempt to cover up the evidence? As far as inmates in Illinois are concerned, there was a massive riot that killed many guards. The state of Illinois then became a max state at one point and all prisons were locked down. Many inmates on death row were released due to DNA evidence. Inmates do serve up to 20 years waiting to die...that is the governments fault. There should be one appeal and one appeal only. It depends on the state as to how much it costs to keep someone in prison. Wisconsin is about 40,000 a year. The prison system is a warehouse for criminals and the only rehab is what the inmate does for himself. Sexually deviant people are wired that way. You can cut off a rapists junk...he will just rape with an object. Serial killers will never rehab, severe criminal thinkers will never rehab. Our recidivism rate is over 80 percent. China's recidivism rate is 10 percent. Think about that. " Mean people SUCK!"

[ As for those that counter that prison is a sort of college dorm atmosphere, where the living is easy – I’d suggest you spend a day or two in a maximum security prison. The tension is high, the threat to life is constant, fear and aggression rule the halls. There is no hope for reform, only for removal of the threat that these men and women pose to free society. Finally, I’d ask you, in considering the merits of the death penatly, and the consequences of this form of punishment that any society mets out, to contemplate the words of Plato…who will guard the guards? Quote Seriously...that is what this thread is coming to??Money and who will " guard the guards?" Like I said, go work in a max prison like I did...are you willing to sign up for max DOC and walk those tiers? Are you more worried about the guards than the murderers, rapists, and pedophiles that could break out and come to your family?? As stated before, our criminal justice system is not perfect. And how many inmates have been put to death the past 15 years since DNA has been a viable defense?? " Mean people SUCK!"

until it is one of your loved ones that is. Working an a max prison for lifers in wisconsin...no death penalty , I have come across alot of sick !?!?!...no remorse, no regret. There should be only one appeal, and that is it. There obviously needs to be guidelines such as DNA proof, but lets face reality here...thee is no perfect justice system. Walk a tier full of murders, rapists, serial killers, baby killers, watch them watch tv, eat 3 square meals a day, and then have a viable opinion " Mean people SUCK!"

awsome!!! I always wanted to go there...I ran a reptile sanctuary in wisconsin and one of my dreams is to go to best friends and volunteer....keep living the dream " Mean people SUCK!"

To base jump in New Zealand from a 3000 foot cliff " Mean people SUCK!"

I am native american and we never say good-bye to family, friends, loved ones including our beloved animals. Your best friend will always be with you and loves you unconditioanlly and that is a blessing you will have until you join him......never say goodbye==say farewell until we meet again my friend He is immortal, we all are, we just graduate to peace and happiness.......he will be with you always " Mean people SUCK!"

mine would have to be a few such as 30 Days of Darkenss=awsome vampire movie ZombieLand==humor, zombies and they kill Bill Murray Transformers 2==extremely well made and of course==Avatar " Mean people SUCK!"

Once again just a bunch of crap that you do not understand and a post full of ignorance. You have a right to your opinion, but why do you feel it necessary to attack people? An opinion is just that. Have a great day...now I am going to jump " Mean people SUCK!"

LMAO Thank you for your ideas! I really love pin the tail of the wuffo! There will be plenty of them there " Mean people SUCK!"

Beating my head into a wall trying to come up with reception type based contests and games but for a dropzpne and skydivng related? Any suggestions? Blue skies-eat french fries " Mean people SUCK!"

Hey folks, I am getting married September 4th in colorado. It will be a skydiving wedding. There will be a pig roast and fun jumpers get their first lift ticket free. Also a dj. Pm me for more detail. It will be in the denver area " Mean people SUCK!"

exactly, how do you reply to stupid " Mean people SUCK!"

I just started a new tub for the entertainment also. Did you ever notice how he/she is done talking to one of us when he/she don't know what to say anymore? Maybe they post drunk due to the fact they don't know what comes out of their mouth! " Mean people SUCK!"

I read what you write to remind myself of what kind ignorant thoughts people have. there is a difference with having an opinion or shoving it down someones throat like you actually been there and done that. Once you have been there and done that---than preach till the fat lady sings " Mean people SUCK!"

Most of what you write does not make much sense to me. You just like stirring the bucket on topics you really know nothing about " Mean people SUCK!"