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Yeah, because by your standard you are bullying him. And by anyone's standard an 'apology' consisting of "I'm sorry you did a bad thing" is passive-aggressive bullshit. It's practically the dictionary definition. And most of those politicians then defected to the Republicans when it became clear the rest of the Dems weren't going to support them anymore. But so what? Where's the relevance to anything we've just been talking about?

Does that mean nothing bad happened then?

One thing that has really struck me about a lot of incidents during these protests is that, far from acting as checks on their fellow officers, a lot of them will rush to join in any show of force. Like this poor guy pushed over - he was already being moved back by two officers when the came in from several yards away to give him the shove that resulted in his serious injuries. Why did he need to do it? In what way was the situation not being sufficiently dealt with? Another that really stands out is the bike messenger being batoned for no reason. He's not resisting in any way except trying to get away from the cop who's wailing on him but what do the next two cops who come over do? Do they try and restrain him, arrest him, put him on the ground, ask the first thug cop what's going on, do anything to de-escalate the situation? No, they both join in the beating. Why? For what purpose?

How is any of that an excuse for your evasiveness, dishonesty and near-constant refusal to retract statements shown to be completely false? And again, so what? There's no benefit in simply admitting that you're biased if you never re-evaluate anything with it in mind. If anything, you use it as a shield against having to take a second look at any of your statements. Time and again you make major unsubstantiated assumptions about dem politicians and when it's pointed out that you'd defend a republican to the hilt against any similar statement if it couldn't be 100% proven to be true and you just say 'so what? I know I'm biased.' How does that help anything? I don't see any basis for that. There are several reguars here who stated they were long time republicans until fairly recently and who only left because the party drifted to the right and to the fringe, not because they came further left. They really are centreist enough to be able to look beyond any former party loyalty. You now view them as solid leftists because they criticise Trump, whereas everyone else sees you as still being far more partisan than you claim because you can't stop defending him.

Passive aggressive bullying isn't an apology. Probably. How would they know? Take off the rose tinted glasses. You think cops never bullied black people in the Jim Crow days because they didn't have military uniforms back then?

Get real. Turtle has just as long a history of dishing it out as he does taking shit - and the reason he takes shit in the first place is exactly as was pointed out. He constantly posts inflammatory and inaccurate nonsense and then comes back to defend it again and again and again, way past the point of absurdity. And here's the thing about discussion forums - if you keep pursuing a stupid argument, other people will keep knocking it back. It's not bullying to keep telling someone they're wrong when they keep on insisting they're right. You on the other hand, reading one post from yobnoc and calling him a bully who would beat up black people if he had the chance? How crass and classless is that? When are you apologising?

I believe that's what these protests are about. To try and get the police and their superiors to understan what they think is wrong. Some of them. And some of them are just bad in the first place. But the real problem is how often there seems to be a systemic protection of the ones who go off the reservation, whatever the reason for it was.

Yes - that he read that it actually happened. That's why he said it was funny. He also said the stickers were placed on protester's cars, not antifa cars. Do you just assume they're all one and the same? What is your point?

When peaceful protesters see their stuff turning to shit, what should sink in? I'm talking about something that Airdvr claimed was actually happening. Exactly my point. Why assume that?

It's hard to tell whether that post is more insulting than wrong, or the other way around.

It's not karma if the cars belonged to people who were peacefully protesting (as the vast majority are) out of a sense of moral responsibility. It's not karma if the cars didn't belong to anyone involved at all - after all, are we expecting a rigorous checking process here? The people out there smashing other people's stuff are behaving appallingly and there's no excuse for it. People trolling them and egging them on to see what they can cause to be smashed are just as bad.

?? I've seen white people fully involved in damn near every photo or video of every protest march happening out there. Who said there was a problem?

Lol. You can't make such a daft, misleading point as that and have the gall to be condescending at the same time. You don't have pure democracy if you allow the people to elect the president, but at least you have some of it. You also don't have any more or less tyranny. Sure it's a nice button pushing buzzword phrase, but in context it makes absolutely no sense. The limits on tyranny are the limits placed (or not, as the case may be) on the power of the president once they are in power. If you get someone who then wants to grab significantly more power than they should be allowed is anyone going to say "Well gee, this is worrying... but at least he was elected by a minority so that's ok!" And getting rid of the EC, a system rooted in both slavery and elitism, would make yours less imperfect.

Ha! Of course, he's suddenly pivoted to the far left all and that's why he's insulting Trump. Sure, that's far more likely than him still being what he always was, a conservative with the backbone to call out people and policies on his side that he disagrees with. Must really bug you that he's walking your talk.

Even if you're not going to read it, surely the point should be equally well made to you anyway? That Trump's behaviour and policies are so egregious that they pushed a lifelong conservative to write something so critical you thought it must be a far left hit-peice, and a hugely respected journalist and winner of numerous serious awards to resort to playground language to convey his strength of feeling. That's how bad Trump is.

The strange thing about this is that it often seems like most of what you post is based on wild overreadings of what you claim is the intent behind simple, factual headlines. Yet when it comes to a fellow right wing traveller you can't conceive that anyone could possibly use context to figure there might be an implied judgement about lawyers in what would otherwise be a random non-sequitur comment.

And how does that counter Wendy's point about the title you chose for this thread?

I guess that was someone else who'd been tweeting about how much fun the secret service were having fighting them. Maybe the coffee boy.

When you claim that George Will is of the far left you lose all credibility. The uncomfortable truth for you is that Will actually represents what you merely claim to be. A conservative who actually has the integrity and the balls to call out the torrent of unnacceptable behaviour from those who currently control his party.

Lol. Kallend referenced The American Thinker calling Fauci a "Deep-State Hillary Clinton–loving stooge" as one of the reasons Fauci needed physical protection from the insane right wing base. The other time he referenced it was pointing out that it was part of the anti-AGW echo chamber along with other lunatic fringe outlets like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh. So yeah, I think he knows

Considering that you haven't yet addressed the fact that you are so desperate to find good things to say about Trump that it causes you to misread news stories and claim they say the exact opposite of what they really do, I don't think you've got much of a leg to stand on right now to throw around acusations of being wrong.

Reminding them of what?

Eh? You were responding to someone who was using an MLK quote on how to measure a man to put Trump's behaviour in context. What on earth does that have to do with how black people will respond to anything?

Dude. That's frankly despicable. Honestly. Dr King was willing to risk his life to fight for the principles he believed in. The fact that it cost him his life in no way lessens his example to any other person of principle and passion. I'm curious - how would you feel about someone who said the same thing you just did about a US soldier who volunteered when war was declared and then was killed on the beaches of Normandy? 'Love it when people use him as an example - dude should have been more careful! Did not turn out well for him.'

You're projecting again. It is your habit, whenever Trump or the Republicans are caught with their hand in the cookie jar, to scream that 'oh the Dems would have done something even worse if only they could have reached the lid'! And yet again, in this case what Kallend said is true. If it wasn't true, you know what you would do in his place - you just shouldn't assume he would do the same.