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We will be doing smaller groups and first flight jumps as well. Bring your suit, I'm sure we can work it out. Chuck, Jeff, and Scott C. I'm sure can ease you into things. NO WORRIES !!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I have been to PR twice and my brother 3 times to the Xdivers boogie. No issues with rigs getting in or out. Jason and Vivanna are great people. Call the number on the web-site. Jason also takes people on scuba trips. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Depends on which side of DC you are on. North Side - PA is closest. East Side - Delmarva West Side - Orange or Louisa South Side - West Point I have been to all but PA, all are good choices and lots of great people. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Sorry can't make it this year, but moving back to Baltimore area in the fall. My brother and I are busy for most of the summer, but if folks there would like us to drop by in October and conduct a series of first flight courses for wing suits please let us know. Perhaps we can get some pelt head wing suit action happening. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I miss the N. Va crowd. I was transferred to Atlanta two years ago, but moving back to DC area this fall. Sorry I can't make this happy hour, hope there are many more to come. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Hey BGill: Great news. I have only jumped there once, but was a great vibe. My brother and I are busy for most of the summer, but if folks there would like us to drop by in the fall and conduct a series of first flight courses for wing suits please let us know. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Are they still looking for a buyer / operator? WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Break out those wing suit and come a flocking with us. Some of the Z-Flock will be in attendance, Scott Campos organizing, and the Brothers Gray. What's not to like??? How about a North Carolina wing suit record??? Slot specific, and non-slot specific depending on how many birds we get. First flight instruction available, come get your wings on !!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

We are hooked on that nylon crack. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

We are also planning on being at the Raeford boogie and also at the Orange boogie in Virginia. Raeford is in a couple of weeks and the Orange boogie is in August. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I picked-up both a Wintec and a Garmin ForeTrac 201 recently. I have only really played around with the Garmin thus far (good unit and easily connects with the tracking derby web-site). I believe Scott Campos uses a Wintec unit and seems to like it. Very light and compact !!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Chris and I will be at Raeford and SkyFest, happy to try out some of the ideas. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Love the pics, the helo exits are great !!! Next year we are planning on a European Wingsuit vacation, Stupino is on the list. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Sorry we can't make it. Come on down to SkyFest and do some big way flocking !!! Everyones welcome. Tell those Skydive Radio guys to get there butts down to SkyFest and bring the wingsuits. See ya later Joni. Will you be at Flock N Dock 3.5 in October? WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Sounds like some big ways in our future !!! Help us to round up more wing suit pilots far and wide. Perhaps we can guilt Purple Mike, Silver Mike, Scott Bland, Matt Hoover, and others to join us. Come on you West Coast birds, you're invited too. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

The Brothers Gray will likey be there. 80% sure we will be there. Scott arriving on Friday night and Chris Saturday night. Sounds like the perfect tune-up for SkyFest and solid formation attempts!!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Thanks much .... great shots. Likely will see you at Reaford. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Nice !!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Good point. On both the 46 and the 48 way dives people were given specific slots and they were dirt dived with those slots. Also agree that likely the 10 or so birds around the base made it to their specific slots. Just borrowing a page from the RW world, to be absolutely slot specific each bird would need to be no in a slot but in its designated slot, regardless if there was an open position to the left or right. In the RW world, with some if you declared an eight way dive that was slot specific and only seven got there, then the attempt would not be valid as a slot specific pre-determined dive by some judges. I was hoping for a little more dialogue on this topic to gain a modest consensus, regardless of what that might be. I guess more of a generally accepted norm. I have no axe to grind on this or advocating any specific approach / position. Open to all comments and feedback. Thanks for the reply. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

If we are to extend the perspective of slot specific formation records and non-slot specific flocking records --- Based upon messages I have received, it has been suggested that the 9-way diamond by the Z-Flock should be the starting point for the slot specific US and FL state records. A count of the birds within the photos taken by Matt Hoover and one taken from the ground during Flock N Dock 3.0, indicated 39 birds within flock, with a few stragglers. This would suggest that the initial non-slot specific flocking US & FL state records could stand at 39, allowing for a target for future events. Thoughts and comments from all within the wingsuit community are welcomed. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Moved from another thread ----- Intended to start a discussion on this topic and move this issue forward for an interim process that can be adjusted and evolved over time. All things have to start somewhere and typically all parties can never be totally satisfied. POST FROM SCOTT GRAY: Short of someone establishing guidelines and rules for claiming unofficial formation records, there is likely more than enough photo and video evidence of a US Record from Flock N Dock 3.0. We need to start some where. We had two jumps with 3 planes, one was a 46 way and the other a 48 way. Might suggest taking the widest angle photo from the two with the most birds and claim a US Non-slot Specific Record. If someone can bring forward evidence of a larger flock, more power to them and it will give us something to shoot for in the fall or next spring. Perhaps Robi, Scott C., Fly Like Brink, or Top Gun guys can give some info on what the World Record might be. I know they are going to attempt to set a World Record in Germany this year, Scott is one of the organizers. REPLY FROM MACCORDIA: I think close to 42 (out of the +- 48 who exited) people in the same place in the air (with roughly 30 or so actualy flying within 5 meters about where they need be) is the current 'record' But most people coming to Cochstedt this year dont seem to care about the biggest exit 'record' that much. Flying the biggest slotted formation, everyone in his place, is going to be most peoples focus for this year. I think the slotperfect (US, Z flock) 9 way diamond, and (EU, Herc boogie 2004) 14 way V formation that have been flown so far should count as the ONLY true records. And we should work our way up from that. Slotted, clean and evenly spaced formations with people skilled enough to fly them.. Though its fun to talk and laugh with people about their experiences on having been on 48 way (US) and 69 way (EU) exits, while they cant even fly to another person on a 2 way, its not really the proper and safe way fo working towards 'records' I think something in the 25+ flyers range, a slotted and clean formation should be and would be the the next true bigway record. REPLY FROM SCOTT GRAY: I like the approach. We perhaps will find as wingsuit flying continues to increase that, as inferred, different pilots may have different things that are important. I like the slot specific approach as it drives us to improve skills and advance the sport. If we are to push this forward and barrow from other areas of skydiving, the formation would need to be pre-determined, all flyers within their specific slot, and held for a period of time. For others there still might be room for non-slot specific flocking records. Suggest this would be more strict than just how many birds exited the aircraft, but rather how many actually got into the flock. Lacking a formal organization (e.g. USPA, POPS, others) that would certify the records, photographic evidence is likely the way to go. I am always a fan of not reinventing and using what we have, no reason why the Dropzone.com Wingsuit forum could not be the means to declare a record. Photos must be included. This is a natural process of maturing our sport. Best to start with something simple with wide appeal that can be successful and evolve over time. In addition, we likely can take some lessons learned from the European Birdman Tour on how to address time and distance records. One option is to tag onto the Tracking Derby web-site using GPS and the guidelines they have established. Let's get some proactive discussion on this ----- WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I like the approach. We perhaps will find as wingsuit flying continues to increase that, as inferred, different pilots may have different things that are important. I like the slot specific approach as it drives us to improve skills and advance the sport. If we are to push this forward and barrow from other areas of skydiving, the formation would need to be pre-determined, all flyers within their specific slot, and held for a period of time. For others there still might be room for non-slot specific flocking records. Suggest this would be more strict than just how many birds exited the aircraft, but rather how many actually got into the flock. Lacking a formal organization (e.g. USPA, POPS, others) that would certify the records, photographic evidence is likely the way to go. I am always a fan of not reinventing and using what we have, no reason why the Dropzone.com Wingsuit forum could not be the means to declare a record. Photos must be included. This is a natural process of maturing our sport. Best to start with something simple with wide appeal that can be successful and evolve over time. In addition, we likely can take some lessons learned from the European Birdman Tour on how to address time and distance records. One option is to tag onto the Tracking Derby web-site using GPS and the guidelines they have established. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Scott - Short of someone establishing guidelines and rules for claiming unofficial formation records, there is likely more than enough photo and video evidence of a US Record from Flock N Dock 3.0. We need to start some where. We had two jumps with 3 planes, one was a 46 way and the other a 48 way. Might suggest taking the widest angle photo from the two with the most birds and claim a US Non-slot Specific Record. If someone can bring forward evidence of a larger flock, more power to them and it will give us something to shoot for in the fall or next spring. Perhap Robi, Scott C., Fly Like Brink, or Top Gun guys can give some info on what the World Record might be. I know they are going to attempt to set a World Record in Germany this year, Scott is one of the organizers. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

All you Wingsuit folks or wingsuit want to becomes, we have a list of attendees being assembled over on the Wingsuit Forum. Please free feel to add your name to the list. Scott Gray The Brothers Gray WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Some folks have asked about sharing rides from the airport, cost of a rental car, and hotels. If you are open to that, please advise. Encourage all your friends that are wingsuit folks or want to be to come on out !!!! The Current Skyfest Wingsuit Count: 1. Chuck Blue (Z-Flock Wingsuit School) 2. Jason “Voodew” Weisberg 3. Doctor Theopolis 4. Jen 5. Robert Jones (Morpheus) 6. Jeff Nebelkopf (Tony Suits) 7. Tony Uragallo (Tony Suits) 8. Nick Rugai (EG Wingsuits) 9. Scott Gray (The Brothers Gray) 10. Chris Gray (The Brothers Gray) 11. Travis Jones a.k.a "Chunks" 12. Jean'mudbug'Dupre 13 Bob Futrell 14 Jen D. 15. Doug D. 16. G. Richard 17. Zach 18. Jason R. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com