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I'm not giving any advice! As you can see I am a baby jumper, no insults please

"Selfconfidence is a feeling before you know all of situation" ..said some very funny narrowminded Earthian (nonJumper) I like the way you feel!

Ajv gada sej it iz fani lenguidz, der ar meni pipl hu ken riid dis vidaut nouing inglish, vi vud anderstend dem. Sou vots d faz? What goes around, comes later.

Not having gear, I rent it allways (packed). 1st one, in a rush I grabbed some student spring chuted gear, closing loop was too long so there was nothing out. 2nd one, no matter what, couldn't inflate next to mid cell - it was gusty so I chopped. 3rd was just a fast spinner. me too... but when you live through it - feels as good as after first jumps

Yes, I remember. I was really hoping to live to 2500+ jumps with no reserves.. like my instructor, "funny" but when it happened I was Happy? when it happd again... I guess I felt xperienced :) funny IS the word, since.. now I can't say I am unhappy having the experience.. several times. This is why I'm asking this What goes around, comes later.

Keep up, Darma has nothing to do with yours or mine. What ever I was scared of - I was prep'd for. What goes around, comes later.

neither did I my 3 RR I was wondering how Virgins do feel about it. Do they wish to stay so or maybe envy us? I can't remember my opignion at the time. What goes around, comes later.

but there are some veryOldTimers with something like 16 rides! They are amongst us (ThankYouParaGod!) If u'r Reserve-Virgin, tell me how do you feel about it? Would you like to stay untouched or would you like to be "experienced"? edit: oh, I get it, You are anything but virgin! sorry for bng slow. What goes around, comes later.

How about most of you, do you feel lucky or smart? What goes around, comes later.

I propose a nomination for "The best post in 2008", so far What goes around, comes later.

This is friend of mine, I have no doubt he agrees with majority on this thread! In fact, 2 times at least, we skipped flying 'cause of the wind conditions. I was told to and he decided to. and for the above - unusual way for posting on eng-writing forum but... talking of xtraordinary, new things happen What goes around, comes later.

These old timers you're asking... that's what you and me need all the time inside us, the old timer's point of view and their judgement! Yes, I know it's painful transformation but that's what we all want - to make the right decision. btw, none of them wants to be responsible, including us 2 There's a plenty of time for wrong moves, be patient and you'll find yourself giving the same injuryproof advices. of course they're right (if you wondered what I'm saying) What goes around, comes later.

It's nurishing your sharp&quick&proper mind we're all dealing with. Do nurish it and we'll discuss it some rainy day, relaxed with mutual pleasure. Shoelace? Heh, I did it over 15000 times! So I'm an shoelace expert? (some did it sooner, I prefferre to learn it from) do read my profile and I dare you to discard significance of my opinion What goes around, comes later.

Which planet are you from? (your profile doesn't show it) Oh you guys can be really entertaining! What goes around, comes later.

Well, I allready have an opinion. You see, I've been reading around DZ forum for 4-5 years and, I am happy to say, you guys thought me a lot, Long Live the DROPZONE.com In order for somebody to learn, some must ask questions, even if they think they know the answer. Thank You! What goes around, comes later.

Thank you My rigger/instructor is D licenced and is having no troubles (not much) instructing me... but maybe, just maybe he won't be present to evaluate my canopy choice, say in Chicago this year. Isn't that a pitty? Would you like me to buy/use something unaware of it's condition just 'cause I'm unexperienced in judging fabric state? Cmmon, I'm working here with some serious issues, I am really trying to help those guys who might hurt themselves without rigger's help. What goes around, comes later.

This dude could say something like "I think we don't need riggers to qualify our canopies" Do we? You wanna help? Of course I thought "Swooping and Canopy control is the place I might get some answers but wherever I was hoping to avoid obstacles like you, unfriendly fellow jumper What goes around, comes later.

It would be a priviledge for me to teach something a "1 jump" jumper. Oh please do it to me, with sugar on top! I'm not afraid to learn What goes around, comes later.

Of course you're right. Perhaps you can declare yourself with an opinion wether riggers should log or log not Canopy Condition? So we could benefit out from it? What goes around, comes later.

This I can't know/deny. My wrist friend and I call it "blown out ZP" and is nothing new to us. Two years ago he drove blown out Fandango 120, which is (not was) flareless no matter what. In your posts there's a word "provided that this or that" several times. Whether years or jumps or bad maintenance made it lost intended performance. How do I know why? I thought it must be fabric. From my experience Turbo ZX205 (800 jumps used) that I flew before, is having considerable less flaring capabilities then current ZX185, which is newer (300 jumps used) :) I still preffere less jumped canopy, I can jump Saphire2 20 jumps old WL1.55 but I can NOT jump Turbo ZX185 1000 jumps old WL 1.3 No way You all agree that current use of WL doesn't say enough, the time will bring some news to it (I beleive) I just wanted for all of us to add on WL - canopy jump age, at the time it seemed reasonable by Jump number - You're old&wise, me so young Thanks to all for your time! Sunset skies What goes around, comes later.

So, planes are out of topic 'cause of their stady zporosity, I agree. Tell me the same about ZP canopies - I'll give up. Don't you preffere Cobalt 135 ft² better when it's new instead of 1000 jumps old? I do! Why is that? When somebody tells me his WL I'd like to know the condition of his canopy, so I could build reacher picture of a jumper. That's where I'm going with this. What goes around, comes later.

Yes but think about two of a kind, say Cessna 172, the older one has Some porosity in wings. It seems to me that newer wings fly safer Can we call it then equal WL? What goes around, comes later.

I saw a friend breaking wrist by landing an old 120sqft, WL 1.89 - With a newer canopy, same size, less blown (!) he is safe! I used to fly old canopies with WL 0.9:1 and comparing to those I consider myself safer now on newer fabric with WL 1.3:1 I'm saying couple of things: - don't be afraid of higher wingloading under better fabric - you don't need to say your WL is 1.5:1, it's allways :1 so it's enough to say WL 1.5 - I'm suggesting that maybe we should include canopy condition with a color mark Example: I used to be less safe with WL 0.9 Red then now with WL 1.3 White. Fabric condition may/does influence performance. Maybe riggers can qualify it with a color I can elaborate more but I preffere you do

You see, there's a difference between your WL 1.5 and my WL 1.5 Oh yes, we're flying the same canopy but yours is much newer! That's why my suggestion came in order. What goes around, comes later.

You're flying WL 1.55:1 I am suggesting you say "WL 1.55 red" if it's a 1000 jumps canopy or "WL 1.55 white" (it's a new zp fabric) or "yellow" (it's in between) Let the riggers decide if it's White, Yellow or Red It takes one to know one! (please declare yourself) !!! this is no joke !!! Red Skies (sunset) What goes around, comes later.