peacefuljeffrey

You spelled neither "deluded" nor "diluted" correctly. Anyway, I have found online published studies that indicate you are six times more likely to be mugged (a violent crime) in London than in New York City; and that with the exception of murder, England's violent crime rate has surpassed that of the U.S. Please don't confuse the number of crimes with the RATE of crimes. When two countries have vastly differently sized populations, raw numbers are useless unless viewed in terms of percentage. Now excuse me, I'm going to try to "re-lute" myself. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I'm surprised at your argument, Chris. I remember, not too long ago, defending women's events at nationals with you on dropzone.com. Rights are a different subject. No one can claim that gays are denied the right to skydive, and so must descend (heehee) on a dropzone en masse in order to assert their rights. This is not the same as being told you are not allowed to vote (which was a women's rights issue but as far as I know was never a gay rights issue), or not allowed to hold certain employment. Gays and women both are protected against having those rights denied to them, as are we all. What gays are not entitled to is to have everybody like them and accept their homosexuality. Or do you want people forced to do those things? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, so they can end up suing the homeowner who defended himself and his property with that shotgun. Like the survivor of the two who had repeatedly committed armed burglary against Tony Martin. That scumbag was given the public's money to SUE Martin for the injuries he sustained when Martin repelled his burglary attempt. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

If self-defense is so enshrined and sacrosanct in England as you say, why is it that you are forbidden from carrying anything that is recognizable as a self-defense weapon; and why is it that you are not even allowed to carry lock-blade knives? My take on it is that England frowns upon self-defense. That seems obvious, or else, why ban items that are useful for it? (For the uninitiated: lock-blade knives are NO MORE LETHAL or DANGEROUS than any other knife; the lock mechanism keeps the blade open so that it does not inadvertently close on the user's hand during use and injure him.) edit: mr2mk1g, you really ought to read (thoroughly) the article in the PDF at this link. Do us both that favor, please. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

hasn't gun legislation increased in that same period? With your reasoning (though usually from the opposite end) doesn't that mean that gun legislation has been effective?

OOOOooooooh! GOOD one!

Dude, it's fucking Bonfire. Get a grip. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

This thread is hilarious! I'm glad you're enjoying it. Are you ready to marry me, yet?

I can't understand why the Philippines is not the most populous nation on earth. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Rush - A Show of Hands Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine Neil Young - Live Rust Led Zeppelin II Led Zeppelin IV Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Collective Soul - Hints, Allegations, and Things Left Unsaid Boxelder - Live, Under the Sun (you never heard of it, but go to boxelder.com ) edit: Soundgarden - Superunknown & Down On the Upside. (SHIT I have to buy Down On the Upside again, mine is scratched to shit and I MISS that CD!) Matthew Sweet - Altered Beast Neil Young - Harvest Moon Bob Seger - some collection of his hits that I have Soundtracks: Hair Grease The Rocky Horror Picture Show - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I think this sums it all up quite nicely. What if the believer claims that his god tells him that you, as a non-believer, should be either forcibly converted or destroyed? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

So how the fuck DO you say that name?! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Ugh. Dilemma. I suppose it's because you can't go allowing someone's illness to be your means of "executing" him, because you have a legislated means of doing the official execution, and letting the dude's appendix burst is not "official." (Though for some people, it's too good a way to die.) I just really don't understand why they don't, if they're so worried about the feelings of convicted murderers, just give them the Happy Gas to kill them. Who the fuck could object to that?! I've been sitting in the dentist's chair flying high on what I was sure was a dangerously over-allocated amount of N20 and I remember thinking, "Holy shit, what if this is enough to make me DIE? Oh well, if I die, I die. I don't wanna let the dentist know I'm a little concerned, 'cause then she might crank it back! I literally thought I had an even chance of just slipping away and dying of N20 overdose, and I didn't fuckin' care. See how easy it could be for us to live in a murderer-free world?

No I am saying how, in my opinion, many cops and some judges reason. Would you PLEASE learn to search for the PITH of my argument and then address IT, rather than obscure minutiae and fringe elements of my posts? It's up there, in bold and red. Your reply hardly addresses that; it ducks it. You weren't just "telling me how cops/judges think," now were you. You seemed more to be advocating that line of reasoning; the ol', "If he insists on his right to privacy, he must have something he's hiding that we need to know about. No one who wasn't hiding something illegal would ever desire privacy." - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

In reality, Bond would have a mouth full of rotten, crooked, discolored and oddly long teeth, and a prick that had rotted down to a blistered stump before 1970. So with that stipulation out of the way, what about the dude/dudes from the Impossible Mission Force? Of course you realize that made them pussies, right? Either that or the writers never came to understand that yes, might makes right sometimes, and a whole LOT of things in the world have historically been decided by violence, and who was better skilled at committing it. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I don't believe it is even ONE % effective, john. That IS a reason to abandon it. One need only apply a single iota of common sense to the gun control arguments that can be made, and come up with a conclusion that gun control is useless. [replyApparently the Brits are happy to have far fewer homicides, suicides and fatal gun accidents in exchange for gun control that isn't 100% perfect. That's their prerogative, and not yours to criticize? Here we go again utterly ignoring differences in the society that go far beyond just having a lot of guns around or not. But what of the fact that despite their gun ban, the number of guns held by criminals is ever on the increase there, and their gun crime rate is also ever on the increase. It was fine way back before they banned guns, and now it's somehow gotten worse. And that doesn't fly in your face and make you wonder how the hell gun abuse could have gone UP AFTER guns were supposed to have been made more scarce?? If gun bans work, there is no possible reason for gun crime to increase after the ban is in place. Also, if the presence of guns is supposed to be correlated positively with the rate of their use in crime, there should be no possible way that when the number of guns in the U.S. increases some 1-3 million or so every year, that gun crime or murder would go down. But it has. Steadily. For years. Anti-gun zealots still insist that the more guns you have in a society, the more gun crime you'll have. If that is true, you would HAVE to see more gun crime every single year as more guns come to be owned every single year. NO ANTI-GUN ZEALOT HAS EVER EXPLAINED THIS. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Um, anyway, who the fuck ever said that it's forbidden to have a condemned prisoner feel a bit of pain as he is put to death? For one thing, I don't give a shit if a murderer feels pain at his death. For another, "cruel and unusual" does NOT, to me, mean "NO PAIN WHATSOEVER MAY BE EXPERIENCED BY THIS PERSON." That's just impossible to read into the amendment. LIFE is pain. A few needle pinches are not "cruel" by any stretch. They're also not "unusual." And they have to be BOTH to be prohibited, anyway. One thing I don't understand is, why not just put these murderers on a chair, strap them down, and then give them carbon monoxide to breathe until they die? They'll simply fall asleep, and eventually die while comatose. If you want to be a pansy-ass leftist about it, how about we give them NITROUS oxide just to be all nice? Gimme a fuckin' break, already. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

There's a reason that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is the MOST OVERTURNED COURT IN THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM. It's because of exactly what you pointed out: they are far-left nutjob activist assholes. They legislate from the bench, pure and simple. (For those following along, that is a NO NO.) But leftists -- who LOVE the court's decisions -- can stare the activism right in the face and claim it is just not there. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, well, apparently some here think that an entire country of people living oppressed under a psychotic torturer is a good thing because it keeps the unbridled hatred between muslim sects from boiling over into mosque bombings... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Oh, you want STATISTICS. The world's largest Islamic country, Indonesia, has a homicide rate 5 times lower than the "Christian" US. Saudi Arabia's rate is lower still. Even Yemen has a lower murder rate than the US. I could be wrong, but I don't think those countries have LIBERAL PUSSIES deciding that "rehabilitation" is more important than ridding society of scumbag criminals. Living under iron-fisted rule will kinda sap your desire to commit crimes and get beheaded or have your hands cut off or what have you... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Boy, am I glad you put those ** there, or I might have felt insulted. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Why don't you go ask the victims of the southeast asian tsunami last year if Americans do good things in the world. It's lovely and easy to claim something is just "American propaganda" when you end your post right there. Pathetic. Anyone with something legitimate and defensible to say would simply say it, rather than delivering cheap one-liner pot-shots. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Bushwah!! There doesn't have to be a "legitimate reason" for ANY boogie.... Shh! Leave it alone! I was attempting to keep the thread from deteriorating into a Bonfire-esque clique-fest, but... too late. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Sometimes you're just too damn forgiving, bud. Don't worry, I don't care much for beer, so if he buys me one, I'll pour it on your head and then you'll continue to not have to forgive me. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Cool, there's legitimate reason number what, two? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"