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she exists now the next hurdle.... is she interested in you . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I won all kinds of 'stupid' awards as a kid/teen....for things like hula hooping, jumping rope, holding breath under water (this one has actually come in quite handy!). Sadly, they came with ribbons and trophies There were a few scholastic ones in science and wiritng, but there were many more in the 'stupid human skills' category . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

When I was younger (wayyyyy younger) I could hula hoop, spin it up my torso, around the neck, move arms in and out, spin it down to my ankles and do the hop skip thing and bring it back up. I tried to hula hoop a few weeks ago and now sadly, all I can do is the basic hula hoop around the waist. Where did my skills go???? . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I collected unicorns for years, had a huge collection till a friend dropped the box during a move Now it seems I have collected a menagerie of animals . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

You forgot the Jonathan Lipnicki voice By revealing that you see I have been brainwashed or waaaaaayy overworked Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

that too Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I think what is 'worse' will vary from person to person and situation to situation. Given the people I have encountered in the military who have issues with women, I dare say it would phase them less In all seriousness, I am sure there are people who will and people who wont have a problem with it. Much like jen's reference to integration. I would hope the people fighting had accepted their very worst fear could be realized (whether it be seeing a woman/best friend/etc die violently or not) - and have prepared (not necessarily accepted) for that instance beforehand. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

That was NOT a knock on you, Lefty. It was in response to remwhas post where it appeared he thought I was being dramatic Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

My reason for even bringing it up was in reply to Lefty's post on it being 'psychologically shattering to see women die in combat" (and you thought that was just my drama ) This thread touched on sexual tension, differences in physical ability, instincts as protectors and to that point the psychological effect seeing a woman die has on male soldiers. My posts were an attempt to show that if seeing a woman die over a man is a big enough problem for a soldier the problem might rest within their training and preparation. This is only my experience and I dont expect it to change anyones mind, only to give them a wider lens to view it with - that is why 'I wasted my time'. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I hate to agree with Hawkins because of his delivery, but on this ONE reply - and it's about general behavior, not the occasional exception or example.... Men have a harder time seeing women die. Adults have a hard time seeing children die. It's coded in the genetics over thousands of years from a reproduction and survival of the species response. If you believe in evolution, you have to acknowledge this. Not to say we don't have a hard time seeing any other type of death, but the impact is dramatically different - unless you're a sociopath. As for it being psychologically "shattering" to see "anyone" die, I really doubt that. Bit of a drama there. But I suspect you mean for someone to be the cause of a physically violent death it might have a significant impact on most people. Still, if a woman can meet the "exact same" requirements then it's up to her and her colleagues to deal with the 'other' stuff. But in a very strength intensive combat role, I think a woman able to do the same job as a typical man would be a very exceptional woman (low percentage of all women compared to likely half of all men) - and it would be dangerous to have quotas for women in that roles if it allowed non-qualified women to participate. i.e. don't disallow the exceptional woman to participate if she makes the cut, but don't coddle anyone that can't. I guess I wasnt clear explaining this. All other things being equal, the soldiers gender is not the ONE thing that makes their death a problem. There are many men who cant handle seeing another man die in combat. There are some that can 'leave it on the battlefield' and some who can't. It has been my experience that it is less to do with the gender of either party, but the individual's ability to cope. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

Nice that you have me all figured out and yet you dont know a thing about me. I stated each person handles it differently - I see no falsehood in that. I agree some cheer when the enemy is killed, but for all those that cheer at the moment, there are some it affects for the rest of their life. For some it is harder for someone to see a woman killed than his best friend others not so much. Like I said it depends on each person and their coping abilities. Edited to add: Please tell us your qualifications for knowing what is 'needed' on the battlefield and what is not. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I believe it is psychologically shattering for people to see anyone die in combat whether it be a man seeing a woman a woman seeing a man man seeing his best friend a woman seeing a woman and many times just seeing the enemy Each person may be affected differently, but I think it has more to do with who we are than our gender. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

I think it is a very complex issue with many facets, but for arguments sake: Women as mothers have an arguably much higher instinctive ability(not sure ability is the best word to use) to be protectors. That would pretty much level the playing field in that respect. Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

Or when we are PMSing . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

all while indulging yourself by doing what you want to do in life If your family mean that much to you, you'd not do something that keeps you away from them. Doing a trade that keeps you away from them is your choice, nobody makes you do that... you choose to do something in life that you want to do, knowing full well that you'll miss out on all the things you've said, but those things are secondry to your desire to do what you want to do, if they were more important than being in the military, you'd not be in the military and you'd do something that enables you to be with your family i don't have much sympathy for anybody who indulges themself in life by following their chosen career path and then moans that they are missing out on things by following their choses career path its like hitting yourself on the head and then complaining that your getting hurt... stop hitting yourself on the head then !!! While I might not agree with the delivery of your opinion, jimmy, I can see both sides of the issue. Yes, soldiers for the most part do make a choice to do what they do. It has been my personal experience, they do not always *know* what all it involves. Yes we all know the inherent risks and dangers, but there are things they will encounter they can never imagine when they join. That being said, any injury, physical or psychological is a tragedy. What differentiates sacrifice for me is that regardless of their chosen career path, their job still provides a service to others. In my eyes-at its very basic core- is the difference from someone losing a limb while surfing (person serving themself) versus being at war, fighting a fire, or being shot at by an armed robber (person serving others). . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

poo list? that was freakin funny funny i tell ya!

dude, we don't even know what the hell her name is, let alone have dirt on her... it is a loosing battle........... well that's not entirely true... I know her name... but... I'm not telling Is it 'ANNA' ???? . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

Well that is just it. Dont feed them people food EVER, do not feed them dog food from anywhere but the dog dishes...and dont let them get out of the door. Pretty simple. If they dont want the dogs on the bed or in the room, close the door. My two do have pretty much free reign, sit on couch with me, sleep snuggled into my bed. you forgot dont feed them after midnight and dont ever get them wet Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

well someone who can dog sit while you are away rafting for a weekend would be a nice bonus... but someone who doesnt leave the front door open for them to get out, or feed them toxic stuff is good

Will the housewarming party invitation list come directly from the list of people helping you move tomorrow??

My first (and hopefully ONLY) experience with this phenomenon was 2.5 yrs ago...when I had a horse go missing and we found him 4 hours later, very nearly dead, underground. How the hell do you get an unconscious 1000 pound horse out of a septic tank...heavy equipment and many large ropes He made it after a VERY long recovery (many months spent as the 'mummy horse' covered in bandages , so we can laugh about it now, but aren't those things supposed to have concrete tops on them?? This one had an old wooden slat top that had given way. I understand lack of concern for livestock, but if people are dying, wouldnt a mandatory retrofitting be in order. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

Just about every other report I type includes the line "Examination is severely limited due to patient body habitus" = too fat for imaging equipment to work I know a friend who owns a casket store, and the oversized caskets are in such need, people are traveling across states to get them because they are difficult to keep in stock. Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12467325/?GT1=7938 Man, son, neighbor swallowed by cesspool Trip to get Sunday paper from lawn turns into scene ‘like a horror picture’ HUNTINGTON, N.Y. - A 71-year-old man who went outside in the rain to pick up the Sunday newspaper plunged into a cesspool in his front yard, and his son and neighbor were sucked in when they tried to help. The victims escaped, two with the help of firefighters, covered in raw sewage but not badly hurt. Andrew Palladino said the soggy ground, soaked by two days of rain, gave way outside his Long Island home: "I walked across the lawn, and all of a sudden I disappeared." He yelled to his wife for help, and she threw a rope and called their son, Dan, who lives with them. The son said the scene "was like a horror picture." A neighbor who heard the commotion ran over to help — but the ground gave way again, swallowing him and the son. The neighbor crawled out, and passers-by tried to hold onto the others until the Huntington Fire Department arrived. Firefighters secured the ground, lassoed Palladino and his son and dragged them out. It's not the first time a cesspool — a pit that collects waste from toilets and sinks — has swallowed someone in Huntington. In 2001, a man practicing archery in the back yard with his two children died when his cesspool caved in and consumed him. And in 1998, a Huntington Station man was rescued after he fell 65 feet into one. . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

Well, not that it would solve the problem, only get their attention.. If you decided oh, Wednesday or some other random day was going to be *your* day of protest and closed the office - would you have to still pay them for that day?? Most people like to protest when it is convenient for them. If they were to lose a days pay they were not planning on for someone elses random schedule, they might gain a clearer understanding...or just be thankful for a non-paid vacation day...who knows Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

...and with each post, the women appear less cruel . Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...