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Thanks for the Censorship. What's the matter ? you could not just Split-it to another Thread ? .

..."all puzzled when someone gets hurt at Perrine, when people are not jumping Perrine with the same approach as other objects in BASE." . Well now I see why your all Puzzled. The Twin Falls bridge is NOT like any other BASE sub-500 ft. object. So THAT's why it not approched like other BASE sub-500 ft. objects in the world with slider-up deployments. _________ "That's my exact point... None! I will never do it either... Same as burning in... I don't have to actually do it to know that it will kill you... " . Well you seem very Narrow-Minded & you state that, ( have Never Done ) so HOW do (You Know ?) maybe you are missing something very unique in the world of sub-500 ft. slider-up jumps. That is a fun and possitive experience in your Growth & skill of BASE that can be safely aquired for your experience ? __________ "Just curious how your’s differs from what is commonly known as an appropriate delay for a slider, 4 sec... I feel that with the (appropriate delay) slider-up off that bridge and even with a off-Heading or a line-twist or both. It is easy to still make a good safe landing on dry land. " . Well aperently (MINE) does not differ from any others that do it safely. It is common knowledge that can be tought to anyone. You Just Don't Know IT and have never been tought The appropriat delay is the delay that is chosen to accomidate your slider-up jump-plan. ___________ " Furthermore… I really don’t care what you guys do at Perrine; you can fuck a goat on the way down for all I care. Just don’t come on dropzone.com telling everybody that you don’t understand why your pc delayed when you got your goat cheese all over your hands and it affected your pitch… By doing so, you really do a disservice to people trying to learn from you when they read dropzone.com. " . There is nothing Wrong with using what is appropriate for one's-self & choosing restraint for safety for yourself. This is good that you know your limits & as you plainly put it. "The Line You Walk" I think. - It Is You - who are doing the disservice to a perspective Learning Crowd of BASE jumpers. Who is making safety judgment calls about a subject of sub-500 ft. slider-up BASE jumps You CLEARLY know nothing about & have never experienced. Also if you are learning to BASE jump off a internet web-site. Then there is Very Little hope for your safety anyway. How far out of touch of reality are you ? You think sub-500 ft. slider-up BASE can safely be Learned from Reading a Web-site ? Would You attemt to teach sub-500 Ft. slider-up mechanics off a BASE chat line ? who the fuck are you bullshiting. I'm the biggest fucking bullshitter on this planet so don't even try to slip that garbage on me. Its apparent that you have Goat Cheese for a Brain. So Stick with "walking your OWN LINE" and not someone elses. .

..."I do mean not jumping at altitudes/heights that don't allow the appropriate delay for sliders, regardless of the object (cliff or bridge)... " . I don't get it ? Why do you think the Twin Falls bridge is unsafe for doing Slider-Up BASE jumps ? I disagree. I say it's that it is a PERFECT low-end attitude object to do as many slider-up jumps as you feel like. It's also very good on the spinal abuse from long term no-Slider delays . How many slider-up jumps have you done off the Twin Falls bridge to come to this conclusion that you feel it's un-safe ? Do you Feel that you are under to much pressure under Canopy to pop your Toggles, make an appropriate Heading assessment and Land at that height of exit ? I feel that with the (appropriate delay) slider-up off that bridge and even with a off-Heading or a line-twist or both. It is easy to still make a good safe landing on dry land. Or do you Feel like this only applies to smoking-it down low to the water on slider-up jumps on 4-sec.+ delays ? .

Ray so slow he Needs a Crayon ? Slow ? .. Once I was walking out to the middle of the Twin Falls bridge to do a BASE jump. Tom Aiello saw me and walked over to talk to me. As he was standing there. I slowly raised my foot up and STOMPED ! .. On a large Snail. He asked, " Why the hell did you squash that Snail ? I said, .. "because the motherfuckers been Following Me All Day long" ! .

I really don't think it needs to be Deleted. But like the rest. It Just needs to be Split-Off to it's own Thread, titled. Is Ray so slow he Needs a Crayon ? .

Damn Joe, I have never heard so many kind words about me. I most defiantly WANT YOU to do my Epitaph at my Funeral. After I fucking Smoke-it-In to the Dirt ! Last time I ever said so many nice thing about someone. I was Chatting some Chic up at the Pub to get in her Pants while trying to slip a couple Ruffies in her Beer. Flattery will get you everywhere though and Thanks. I am just uncomfortable with just one statement. "Dwain Weston and Psyilly Nic are sexy gods. Ray is better because he is still here." I would like to say, I will never be better than Dwain. I was Only a better jumper than Nick. Being alive is not a status promotion over the dead it just a given Perk. .

2-Splits, Ahhhhh now I see. Damn I am Slow. Is all that's allowed to be Post/discused is, Thanks for Posting the Vid. Tim. or Exact mechanical & detailed discussions of the fatality that the Video review Link ? What exactly are we allowed to talk about in this Thread. I mean if (I or We) had some Exact guild lines drawn-up on what permitted lines or avenues of discussion that is permitted to peruse on a Thread topic. It would be very helpful when Posting what thought to which category of Thread allowed before someone actually typed it up to Post ? It would save a lot of guesstimating on the slower crowd of people like myself who don't catch on to fast. .

Wow, I can't believe Me getting all sensitive and showing my Vagina would get Split to a new Thread. So temporarily tolerate me and let me Drop my Skirt one more time to continue on this line of thinking. I have already been playing a safer game-plan. Being more picky on the safety & quality and not the quantity for some time. No interest anymore in jumping the sketchy/dodgy. Basically for Me the quitting is a matter of what is ( put-in ) to the amount ( that is received ). I have Not Quit Yet and "It is a Personal thing" as you state but it moves past the obvious draining of ones spirit and love of pure pursuit of BASE freefall. When you get slamed in the face by the constant smell of death. It even takes a personal toll knowing that your love-of-pursuit is a drain of Spirit for my Mate. She has never ever made any wedge to interfere in my passionate pursuits of life for the 13 years I have known her. That is another example of what is ( put-in ) to the amount ( that is received ). When do you start Giving back more and slow down on the Taking ? BASE is a Pure Pursuit of Passion when done right. It's simply Pure Taking. You jump and take all that you can get for all that it is worth. The more you jump the easier it gets but it is Still All-or-Nothing, Every Jump. You just BASE jump so much you chose to forget. .

So you are saying there was some Vid. review of past jumps. No pattern of PC technique of the Throw ? I Really Hate the off-the-wall one-time shit that kills. There is no pattern or structure. Just makes it hard to digest accidental deaths plus It really throws a curve into everything you think is relevant to finding the truth. Really defines the making of one simple mistake. It's not that the (mistake) making the PC Pitch was not an overlooked detail. It was obviously in the jump plan as the Vid. shows. For me it's just hard to accept the severe consequences of the freak one-time Glitch that seems to come out of nowhere and kills. You think there has to be a Bigger Picture on WHY ? but in reality there is simply None. I sit back and think that I made one hell of a good-run of it and made a few stupid mistakes while doing it. wonder if the simple little one-time killer is on my next jump ? I have seen so many people die over the years. Wonder when I should give it up and get out. While the gettins good. . edit for thread title ~TA

" just curious, but how do you know this? (several discussions have pointed out that there are too many variables to permit accurate speed calculations...) " - I don't mean to butt-in here but I don't really think small technicality of MPH really matters. It's pretty well agreed upon that you don't get a 6th second & you are still falling to your Death at any speed of freefall off this bridge if you don't get a PC out in the airstreem. After the 4-sec. mark of FF and compounding FF speed. There is not much more that really matters if there is Not a Canopy being ripped out of the Container. also, I know this is still a sensitive issue with it being only a Week old fatality and is nothing that will be discussed that can bring her back. The (If Only's and Why's) wont change the outcome but (in my opinion) the issue of the PC Toss is the main lesson to be learned here. I think it pretty clear that there was Not a Full Tossing Motion of the PC reveled after continuous Video review. I would truly be interested in any other videos of other BASE jumps made which would "compare" some other Pitches & her technique of the Pilot-Chute pitch. The fault I think plainly is Pilot Error and if this is a one-time Fluke than you can chalk it up too the proverbial "Bad luck & shit just happens" If this was a jumpers continuous habit of a BASE PC pitch. Then it ( MIGHT ) be a VERY USEFUL example for everyone one out there in Helping to keep an Eye-On each other. Was this a continuous habit of Pitching the PC ? or just a one-time Fluke of technique ? Maybe something can be salvaged here, as far as learning from examining the Main Cause then translating that to modify and better the Basics of Teaching & Instruction on How to stay alive BASE jumping. Maintaining Body Positioning before and after the Pitch is all important but the initiation of opening sequences by the Pitch is up there as well in importance. . .

Isn't a death defying feat of skill that you rely on a Mechanical device of fabric and some hardware to save your Life. A Stunt ? .

Jacob says: " Hey, I know that you own this land. Uhhhh, but you think you mind if I trespass over there and FLICK this thing ? " land owner says: " uuuh, what ? " Jacob says: " Ya, UhhhHhh Let Me Explane. I'm gona go climb-up that thing and jump off with a Parachute. " land owner says: " Uhhhh shuurrrrre. You go right ahead and climb-up that thing,... Uhhh, I just got to go inside for a minute or two and finish folding my Underwear and Socks ". ... .

Hey Tim, good job on identifying the cause of this accident. Also the main details why the PC was not placed into the clean airstream after the Pitch. I know this could not have been easy. You put a lot of time into this video review and the constant watching & rerunning of this Vid. Never the less it was a Job that needed top be done. So thanks for clearing this up. I think that it will never be known (Why ?) the PC was not cleanly Thrown-Out but again Pilot-Error always seems to be the main culprit of our own demise rather than Total Mechanical Malfunction of equipment. .

Post: All, 1 - When there is an option, do you typically go stowed or hand held on a 2 second delay? 2 - If the PC and bridle are folded correctly ie in accordance with the manufacturers recommendations, is there really a serious risk of the PC falling onto your back when going stowed on a 2 second delay? 3 - If there really is a serious risk of the PC falling onto your back when going stowed on a 2 second delay why do it? Why not go hand held? I have in the interim opted to go hand held for such jumps Thanking you in advance John - my answers to the questions asked : 1- There is always an option but I choose to go Hand-Held or Stowed depending on the Jump. for example, The technical sides of it. For simple reasons of my given choices for my (Secondary Outs) if Heading was bad or maybe a particular heading direction is not an option. Or it could be just because it is a New Object and I am just feeling it out. asked..." why do it? Why not go hand held? " I choose to play the game . That seems most favorable for that object. 2- No 3- There is Not a serious risk of the PC falling onto your back when going stowed on a 2 second delay but the options of going Hand-Held or Stowed or even Static or PCA are always there to consider and choose. I can honestly say that I have not NEVER seen this happen before (the PC falling onto your back when going stowed on a 2 second delay) though I have witnessed many PC Hesitations at Bridal-Stretch over the years. (the PC falling onto your back when going stowed on a 2 second delay) This is TRULY a RARE thing & not the Normalcy of PC malfunctions. The BASE PC IS the one thing that seems to be the most consistent in performance next to the Canopy always Inflating after extraction. The PC always pulls the Canopy off your back 99.998 % of the time. So Why not this time ? - John, you have so many responses and discussion to this Thread. To me this shows that the incident last weekend with the (unresolved cause of death) Why-? the Pilot-Chute seemed to Fail in it's duty to pull the Canopy from the container. In the 5+ seconds allotted for it to complete it's mission on the jump. Has really put the Fear-of God in so many to give pause to Think. Not so much I think as to the death of a jumper being the cause of Fear. I think it's a little more than just Gear-Fear also Because if death was the big fear than there would not be this big influx of BASE jumpers. I think the Big-Fear is NOT being able to place blame to the cause why a perfectly good Pilot-Chute Failed in the time allotted for it to work. So many suspect reasons but nothing concrete to put the finger on. The biggest injurer & killer for BASE still remains the ( 180 deg.off-heading & object strike ) but the Rare ( Complete PC Failure ) is still lurking to get you and it's scary. What is most scary is Why-? or What caused the PC (the most consistent performer on your Rig) to go and be held on a BASE jumpers back @ a 2-second pitch ? Would going Hand-Held with PC on every BASE jump done actually be the safest road to travel for every 2-second delay ? .

Also if your getting a - Hair Replacement for Men television commercial on your camcorder. When you do post-jump video review. You know thing were to HOT. .

"Where do you stuff the light bulb when you jump? " - Hey Kevin, you don't have to stuff that Light Bulb anywhere before you Exit. I say do what Iiro does & just ' Eat It '. .

The media misquoted you ??? No way. ... You might even be misquoted in the future also. Any Interview freely given without thinking. With audio or video or both. Is nothing but fuel for the medias huge and ever growing (library-bank) of collective information. Your image and words can be brought up and used in any edited and pieced together manor that they wish. To create entertainment Accurately or Inaccurately. It is there choice Not Yours. . I suggest in any future contact with media (You do This). Knife there automobile tires then push them down the closest flight of Stairs available. It Is the BEST form of training to discourage any future attempts at there Ambulance Chasing mentality for a story. I even find that rubbing there nose in a puddle of there own Urine while beating them with a rolled up copy of there Own employers News Paper. Really works well also. ... .

thanks, Matt but no votes necessary.. I believe that I would rather be doing my Life Sentence. Being an ill-respected BASE jumper, wondering aimlessly. Who's eccentric Ramblings & Rants are judged as, talk of a Social Misfit and Outcast. Than be Moderator of this BASE talk forum, on DZ..com . . edit to add: hey this statement has nothing personally to do with you, TA. it's just that I could not imagine having to deal with fucking righteous, educationally bankrupt, assholes like myself. On a BASE talk forum.

"...Do you not remove legitimacy from your sport by removing legal site for it. Excuse me for not understand but if you say this bridge should be made illegal because of reasons then you also say that base jumping is not a legitimate activity in the same breath." --- "...You say that base jumping is only for certain few, and certain few should be allowed to do it, and it should be illegal because this will insure only these certain few do it. Those few then, are breaking the law that so many fight hard to change, and those few should be punished in your line of thought for being dumb enough to be caught??????? I think you step over the line by say this and maybe think only you special to do BASE. Maybe I misunderstand though," --- ______________________________________________________________________ Legitimacy or being legitimate. If your talking about Legality (the law) as being the grantor or giver of Legitimacy. That's is a big argument that has been going on since the beginning of time. but YES, Legal Legitimacy is both a Giver & Denier of BASE access. It has a great weight in the Social Acceptance to the average public and the way they view. The Practice of Throwing the Human Body off fixed object with a Parachute. I made the statement "Maybe it would not be such a bad idea to make that Bridge ILLEGAL to BASE jump off of ??? " Because I am a insensitive and sarcastic Prick. Hamid, your statement of: .."it should be illegal because this will insure only these certain few do it. Those few then, are breaking the law that so many fight hard to change," You see Hamid, No One fought for Legal Legitimacy of BASE access to jump off Twin Falls Bridge. It was always Legal. I am stating that there will be a LOSS of freedom that was never fought for. With a sarcastic remark to (flyhigh) of making it, illegal to jump. Legal Legitimacy that quit possibly will be denied eventually if things Do Not Change. like Easy Come & Easy Go - (another light sarcastic remark). I personally will make access to ANY OBJECT that I deem jumpable. Legal or illegal to jump. I am NOT Special but grant Legitimacy to Myself to jump this Bridge if the loss of Legal access is denied. If FREE Access is taken away due to irresponsible recklessness. All responsible BASE jumpers I am sure would adopt the same attitude of Self-Proclaimed Legitimacy as myself if they chose jumping. Thats what BASE jumpers Do. . .

Yes you do need, LSJTMMGMSA For BASE jumpers that do keep really current on there numbers over several years of jumping. Doing at least 2 BASE jumps a week. There is no problem being current and having quick reflex from the Brain/Motor Drive to the actual muscles that do the life/injury saving maneuvers Spontaneously without Thinking. Spontaneous corrections for the problems that arise on every BASE jump taken. The Twin Falls Bridge enables a BASE jumper that is experienced but have laid-off a time to very quickly get current and back to speed on the muscle memory & spontaneous action. This is the same thing in relationship to any athletes doing any sport well. It goes to Skydiving as well. Large amounts of Repetitious jump numbers done for. aggressive competitive RW, CRW, Swooping, Free Fly, WS, etc. Large numbers of Repetitious jumps make for. Muscle Memory Gain for Maximum Spontaneous Action. Makes you competitive as well as Keeping you uninjured or Alive longer. This Bridge is a real gem for the serious learning BASE jumper and it's Easy 365 day a year access for BASE jumping. BUT it's a double edged sword. Running from Pack Job to BASE jump, one after another. It's your best training move for maximum gain for learning. It can be your worst enemy for your Health and for the long-term Free Access of this bridge. plus: (this is where i possibly rant) Besides BASE jumpers in training the other thing this Twin Fall Bridge draws is a large volume of perspective. BASE Jump Tryouts. The problem I See with this. and this is just ( My Opinion ). BASE jumping is NOT Skydiving. This bridge brings the mentality of. WOW I WanaTry BASE.- Looks like Fun & Everyone is doing it.- All my friends are Trying It.- Wow, looks so cool in Skydive Magazine - Wow FJC courses for BASE - Wow his must be the para-Skydive Sport I PROGRESS into after I have Mastered one or two hundred skydive jumps. ... Although Skydives will help you Start BASE jumping safer. BASE Jumping is NOT like learning to Skydive. NOT everyone can learn and should be given the opportunity to BASE jump. Learning to BASE jump is not like the Mindset of USPA teaching mass students to SPORT-Skydive by Coddled & Manicured teaching lessons . In Skydiving It is a rare occurrence that anyone is turned away from after being given an Unlimited amount of Lessons and Time. That bullshit is called, No Child Shall be Left Behind. If they are a LITTLE SLOW on the learning curve. That's no big deal. The modern skydive student can suck the Tit of his AFF or Dive Coach till he can stay alive. This DOES NOT translate over to BASE jumping. You are not given this luxury as a BASE person learning to jump. You will have Sensory Overload. Then shortly You will be Injured or Dead. Ten seconds per-jump of BASE fun is not the wisest health move. The Idaho Span is NOT the party, novelty Bridge Day BASE jump. FU & Stay Away. .

I have deleted the Word (dumbass) from the Post I made. but I am NOT sorry for that. I am just making minimal effort to be a nice guy. also: the asinine analogy of making your Car, Cigarettes & Alcohol Illegal was started by, HighFly. I only responded to his Post as he worded it. I am ALSO aware that this may not be MY BEST Argument. So HEY, let me through out an argument. That ANYONE can comprehend. . I was NOT making an argument but just a Quite Obvious Observation as a normal BASE jumper with a Brain of average intelligence. Obviously people make decisions in there lives day by day. Sometimes they are not so good with the ending result being far less than (lets just say) Healthy. We ARE NOT talking about driving or drinking. We are talking making MAXIMUM use of playtime BASE jumping in Twin Falls. Plus making a responsible Jump Plan while your Playing. The One think I will argue about is. The Bridge while it has such a forgiving BASE layout in technical BASE jumping. This bridge draws large BASE traffic. BASE traffic that FORGETS that sometime having a good Jump-Plan or proper Learning Curve before exiting that Span can shorten your Life-Span. It breeds fast and quick jumps decisions on THREE FACTS ALONE. The ability to. 1- Make easy jump access. 24 hours a day 365 days a year. 2- The availability to make - Mass Repetitious BASE jumps. 3- There is NO ONE to answer to. for any decisions made. Good or BAD. . Personally I really do not care if this bridge get to be like any other bridge I and any NORMAL & current BASE jumper, jumps every day. That would be the normal illegal & discreet BASE jump. For others that are NOT so fortunate as to have a solid BASE background and training of several years and hundreds of jumps like most NORMAL BASE jumpers. If this bridge were to be illegal they would NOT jump it. Those 3 reasons as I posted above. WILL be this bridges Down Fall. I personally wont like it but Hey, I'm a BASE jumper. I can live with it. . .

"Lets make driving your car illegal too, and how about making ciggies and booze illegal also ? Dummy " - Hey Mr.. HighFly isn't that what they do for the Stupid People who can not Drive Responsible or Safe or that have habitual history of sever Alcohol Abuse ??? . Maybe it would not be such a bad idea to make that Bridge ILLEGAL to BASE jump off of ??? That way BASE jumping Injury and Death there would definatly DECREASE. You know WHY highfly ??? Because #######. Every BASE Jumper Knows. As a NORMAL Illegal BASE object. REAL Responsible BASE jumpers would be forced to Jump more Responsible. With More Jump Planning. While GIVING that object the Respect, it Deserves. .. EDIT to REMOVE the word : DumbAss . .

MINIMAL RISK IS A UNDERSTATEMENT. As far as degree of Jump Difficulty, in reference to Twin Falls as a BASE object. It is a Cake Walk. A Open Span to exit. With almost zero chance of object strike. Several Acres of flat landing area. Water to exit over or to Land in if desired. Legal to Jump. With a relaxed atmosphere to take your time to mentally go over your Jump Plan. You can even Hire a Boat to pick you up out of the water for intentional or Un-Intentional water Landing. And if you don't want to ride a Boat back to your Vehicle or the grass packing area. You can chouse one, of two low physically demanding ways to go back. A Climb or easy Hike down the river trail. . I will go ONE MORE on this subject. I will argue that it is More than a Cake Walk. Hell I have seen a Paraplegic BASE jumper with more canopy control and BASE Game Plan. It is a BASE object That is SO LIBERAL and forgiving of PILOT ERROR. It can be used as a Repetitious Training Area for Improvement of Life Saving jump Technique and Muscle Memory Gain for Maximum Spontaneous Action. If that is to difficult to handle. I suggest exiting out of Aircraft. Pulling you Pilot Chute @ 2000' AGL. and landing your Canopy in a manicured grass landing area at your Local Skydive DZ.. .

Dude don't worry about gear just buy some BASE gear and Skip Bridge Day and go strait to Twin Fall Bride. For Lazy, Casual BASE jumps off one of the. Easiest, Safest and LEAST TECHNICAL BASE objects offered for your jumping pleasure in the World. There is water and also a football size landing area to land your canopy. Everyone is doing it. I suggest just following the crowd and go strait there. No need for Hop & Pops or Balloon Exits. Play, Follow the leader and just go off to Twin Falls for a fun and sun and BASE THRILLS. .

I don't know about Abbie jerking-off in the visitors center bathroom? was he injured ? Was he doing his impression again of singer, George Michael ??? But- on a little more serious thought here. and also. For the people reading this Thread that did not attend this weekend. Relaxing and doing some. Lazy, Casual BASE jumps off one of the. Easiest, Safest and LEAST TECHNICAL BASE objects offered for your jumping pleasure in the World. Twin Falls Idaho. There is no way you could see or know. . OK, For SOME of the jumpers that were there might have noticed ? You also need to - Factor-In - this to the (injury) equation. This is the problem that keeps me thinking and that botheres me the most. That for the Large Number of Jumpers that attended this weekend. The Gross number of jumps completed was NOT very Large. Due to the funky but Not Serious weather conditions. With the single day of Monday (memorial day) being the only really nice weather jumping day. ADD to this FACT, that If the Weather was Primo and conditions ideal and sunny for the entire 3-day holiday. The gross total number of BASE jumps that were made. Could easily been Quadrupled in number. OK, I think the Question that needs to be asked is. ??? . With this Memorial Day weekend being the Largest (if i am not mistaken) the LARGEST Jumper turnout yet. Why ??? The Percentage of Injuries was SO LARGE. compared the SMALL Total number amount of BASE jumps that were completed .??? Because, I think I have figured out this answer to the question and many people can attest to the fact that I am not even that bright. . Anybody Else think they have a Rational Explanation of, - (i will try to humble myself when saying this) ...what The Fuck is going on ???? .