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I find it funny when either big party slams the other, becuase each is as guilty as the other in most cases. I'm also not surprised the the Dems are slamming the other side while doing the same thing. (I can't "come out" and say it's wrong, becuase I've been against McCain Feingold since before it was law). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Does "cooties" equal no morals and willing to lie when it serves? If so I agree with you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So, yeah, about that Bush attorney, someone tell me again why the deomcrats were screaming about that, if you can. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I think he meant you have to be as worried as it you're in the old west, not act as if you're a gang banging, gun fighting, drunkard. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Tom, thanks for saving me a lot of typing, bewcause I can just say I agree with everything you've stated here. I'm sorry, I can't vote Kerry Edwards for a lot of reasons, but the big three are (1) Kerry's comment about approaching the UN with all due defference and humility excuse me? I want him out for our interests, not everybody elses' (2)John Edwards (3)They'd take my guns and everybody elses, along with a whole slew of other choices. I'm also not voting for Bush becuase I know my state will comfortably go to him and the other state I can vote in will got To the Johns. Besides, I feel better voting my conscience, libertarian. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm not really arguing for the change, just saying my piece. However, isn't that the point of all laws and law enforcement, to show up after the fact, when it's too late for the victim? (except for prior restraint, of course) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

How can you say "at least he didi a tour," implying that Bush did not, and then say the reseves and the National Guard are the same, when Bush was in the Air NG? I'm not saying Joining the Reserves is less worthy of respect, I'm just pointing out a lie Kerry likes to tell: that he joined the Navy after school and requested active duty. I'm either not familiar with or don't remember UA. What's it mean? My posting wasn't hectic. It said what I meant. You said you'd help, but I see no facts listed or references noted. Also, this thread was not meant to be a comparison of Bush and Kerry. It was simply meant to clarify some issues about Kerry (and point out some lies he likes to tell). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Why is that Ron, is that because I don't see things your way? Enlighten me Ron, show me the truth. It could be that fact that conservatives didn't spit on returning vets and call them horrible names. Or are you proposing that radical liberals are now following Bush? Or do you think Kerry never went to Vietnam? Make some sense, man. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Sure it is. There's nothing wrong with driving drunk. I've driven while over the lmit but under my tolerance (I don't any more only for fear of losing my job). Now, causing an accident, that's not victimless, and is a crime. However, I"m not really going to argue this one with you. Drunk driving needs to stay illegal because too many people don't learn to take care of themselves. However, I think checkpoints are the biggest bunch of BS. If a person hasn't done anything wrong, why go after them? Oh yeah, revenues are falling as of late... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And I thought we agreed in the Alston thread that this was just more campaign BS, and not a serious infraction. (at least, no more serious than is already happening and causing no stir) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You put your finger on it right there. The difference is whether or not the lawyer communicated things to each party, or if he was only offereing seperate adivce on similar issues. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Eh, don't worry about that. I actually laughed when I read it because it was so stupid. My "daily rage?" I stay out of most keery/bush threads, or at least don't post to them all that much (present thread excluded ). Misplaced anger? Hell, Kerry scares me, but he doesn't make me angry. The only things that are guaranteed to make me angry are calling me a liar and calling me a simpleton. (hence getting a thread locked before I could edit my post; sorry guys). The poster just didn't know WTF he wsa saying. It's much easier to just type [personal attack], while you're thinking it, and then delete it before posting. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Why? The lawyer I hired has worked for a lot of other people. I know nothing of their business, and have no contact with them. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What do blondes and beer bottles have in common? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nice attempt at a hijack, but this thread is adamantly about Kerry. Have you listened to Winter Soldier? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Tink, I know many, many people further to the right than I am. Do you know anyone further to the left than you are? Or are you just enlightened, so my comparison isn't fair? I appreciate Reagan's skill and leadership. When have I ever said that I use him as a standard to which all others are compared? What part of L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N is so hard to understand? ps - you going to ask freeflydrew or skydekker to quit posting against GWB, or is that repetition ok becuase you agree with it? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Incorrect. February 18, 1966 he signed to the Naval Reserves, status inactive. He entered OCS in Newport RI, seeking to be an offier in the US Naval Reserves. More than Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft did. My point is he was assigned to a missile frigate in the Pacific, not to Vietnam. He was deep water navy, and saw precisely zero combat. Check into the USS Gridley. It operated along the California coast for several months, then did guard duty for planes flying in the area of the China Sea and the Gulf of Tonkin for a number of weeks, not months, then sailed for Australia then back to Long Beach CA. Use your psychic powers for this one? Nope. My powers of literacy. According to a Kerry bio written by Boston Globe reporters, swift boats were considered safe at the time. "Kerry also believed a swift boat assignment would keep him away from the front lines of combat." In fact, Kerry confirms this himself, in his 1986 contribution to The Vietnam Experience: A War Remembered. He wrote "At the time, the boats had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I going to be doing. Although I wanted to see for myself what was going on, I didn't really want to get involved in the war." Have I made my point? What was the score? How do you define a "crushing defeat"? What was the topic? Who did he debate? Do you know any of this or did you just copy and paste this? Every article written (except for one, that Kerry has on his site) describes it that way. Also, you can see for yourself. The transcript is online somewhere. It was on The Dick Cavett Show, June 30, 1971. It's pretty common knowledge that there were covert special operations supported by Swift Boats taking place on the rivers in Cambodia prior to the invasion of Cambodia. Then why does the timeline on his website start after January 1968, and why do all commanders from the area state that it never happened? There's an outright lie for you http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html Kev, don't call me a liar if you want to retain any hopes of our becoming friends. He refused to sign the required forms to make all his service history open to the public. He posted what he thinks is beneficial to his website, and that's it. Until he signs the form, the truth is know only to him, the DoD, and the man upstairs. That happened to be his third, and I'm sure it had nothing to do with trying to retain troops for combat. Actually, I was talking about his first purple heart. (where he most likely injured himself with the M79) but if you want to talk about the third being undeserved as well, we can do that, too. edit: You'll notice he posted the recommendation for his Bronze Star. Why did he not post the paperwork for his purple hearts? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Go back and check who started this thread. Stop being ridiculous. By they way. LOOK AT WHAT I'M SAYING ISN'T FUNNY. Crawl out of your little stereotype hole and look at teh real world every now and then. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Be careful with dismissing anyone you say doesn't have an "open mind." It becomes very easy to marginalize more and more people when they won't agree with you, leading to more and more view points ignored by you, the one professing an open mind. It's very similar to the "you're free to say anything you want, as long as you agree with me" trap. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Weren't you the one bitching in another thread about our military being stretched too thin, and not being able tot handle any more fronts right now? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

...about John Kerry. He applied for student deferments, just like Cheney and all the people he badmouths for taking them. He just didn't receive one. He signed up up for the Naval reserves, not the Navy. His first "tour" of Vietnam lasted less four months in a deep water vessel. Hardly a "tour of Nam." The second time, he requested Swift boats because at the time, they were a relatively safe duty patrolling coasts only. He faced a fellow swift boat veteran in a televised debate and floundered amazingly, suffering a crushing defeat. (it didn't stop his tellilng lies or his "aid and comfort" to the North Vietnamese; they don't hang just anyone in their war hall of fame, after all) He has lied repeatedly about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968. He refuses to release his military records to clarify any confusion. His superior officer refused to sign off on a reccommendation for a pruple heart, leaving Kerry himself as the likely author for his own medal. There's more, but that's all I've got for now. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yeah, and Bush has the same links on his homepage. I guess that means neither has done anything else, right? From Bush/Cheney Homepage: Economy Compassion Healthcare Education Homeland Security National Security Environment Well, at least the Republican site has a fun game on it. http://www.georgewbush.com/Olympics/ Can you keep up with him, Kev? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Maybe that is his idea of a joke. I don't know. Either way, it was no less funny than a good portion of what's already been said. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

My question is "why does the NCAA care if an athlete accepts sponsorship in a sport not governed by the NCAA?" Is their problem that they're not getting a cut? God knows college athletics has more than it's fair share of sponsors already, but they are team level so the NCAA makes out like bandits. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Um, yeah, in total war, that is what counts Val. It's not nice. It's not clean. It's not even humane. but who said war is ever one of those things? Oh, and billvon (I think it was you): I wouldn't trade one US soldier for 100,000 citizens of an enemy nation. I'd rather neither has to die, but in a war, people fighting for me are a higher priority than people opposing them. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*