JoeWeber

And live your life as a serf. Screw that noise. What about the drivel that "no one knows the Son but the Father?" Don't you claim to know the Son? No can do per the above. You omitted part of the verse. Matthew 11:27 New King James Version (NKJV) 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. I am in no way validating what is obvious sophistry to any open minded reader by responding, just to put that behind us. But isn't the Son revealing the Father in the above? Seems to me you take it the other way around.

And live your life as a serf. Screw that noise. What about the drivel that "no one knows the Son but the Father?" Don't you claim to know the Son? No can do per the above.

Because we shouldn't elect ignorant boobs to be President, that's why. You don't give a crap about science, outside of omni-science I suppose, so you get a pass. But a President ought to know a little something about things that affect the health of young girls which includes having a considered opinion on vaccination.

That fits with my understanding of my experiences. So said the bee as he tended his Queen. Your very words describe a frightening obliviousness to the world around you. Clearly, in the Ron-centric universe, there is no room for the views of others lest they meld perfectly with your own; your mind is closed for business as you seek this state of "everpresentness and timelessness". What do you hope to achieve next? Omniscience? Why are you frightened Joe? I have nothing left to achieve. I am content to just be and wait for my translation west, as they say. That is not entirely accurate. At election time I seek to achieve Christian conservative elected leaders. Lovely. And while you are off translating we'll be left with a bunch of Christian Conservative ignoramuses screwing things up for future generations. You simply can not just live and let live. You'll never be happy until everyone is wearing the same yoke as you do.

That fits with my understanding of my experiences. So said the bee as he tended his Queen. Your very words describe a frightening obliviousness to the world around you. Clearly, in the Ron-centric universe, there is no room for the views of others lest they meld perfectly with your own; your mind is closed for business as you seek this state of "everpresentness and timelessness". What do you hope to achieve next? Omniscience?

That's the difference between you and me; I don't have a side. I think and act independently. My opinion is swayed only by facts and logic. That is what I call ego linear thinking. Dr. David R Hawkins and A Course In Miracles discuss this at length. I have spent a good portion of my life leaning to think spherically. Especially, I try and am now focusing on thinking without thought itself to the infinite beyond the boundary of the sphere. Be that as it may, my wife, my mother and those who know me personally believe I am independent. I have never fit the mold. A good portion of your life? Hardly. Spherical thinking is relatively recent woo-woo. Go to the back of the class, again. Here's a dose of that nonsense: "Spherical thinking, as it relates to time, is a measure of how far consciousness has come from linearity and its embeddedness in three-dimensional reality. A true measure of spherical thinking has to do with the experience of 'everpresentness', a state in which all events are felt to be taking place simultaneously rather than being divided into past, present, and future. Already, some have had a taste of this quality of timelessness during near-death experiences, life-reviews, and dream states. However, for the majority, this type of awareness is not yet a reality."

Bad phrase on my part. I meant to say everything gets deemed not worthy of charges. Plenty of others have gone to prison for far less. I will say this though, fuck Hillary. I'm glad she lost. Why? She's still bitching to this day about losing the election. The worst sore loser I've ever seen. She makes Al Gore look like a saint. There are valid reason things are "deemed not worthy of charges." Apparently you've never been accused of false charges. Until you have, why not take a slightly more circumspect view? Out of curiosity, why do you take "triathlon" spelled backwards as your handle? Better, why not use your real name?

So he kept all his old phones (presumably with all his old contacts), and tied together a bunch of his seperate shady deals by using the same shell company to process all of them? Does he even get what a shell company is for? I don't know whether it's more offensive that so many of Trump's advisors and appointees are corrupt, or that they're not even competent at being corrupt. Only the best... I think it more offensive that he has so many supporters who just don't care. Bingo. Separately, I think Yoink is right about banning some folks from this forum. They sing the same song over and over and only screw up the conversation.

Psychopath is a word that even professionals argue about the definition of. And there are several types of them. Very few people have no qualms about killing. Those who kill in the line of duty are no exception. At least if they kill up close and in person. Mass killers are very rarely psychopaths. But serials killers often are. Psychopaths do not want to be caught and they do not tend to kill themselves to avoid capture. It is far easier on the mind to kill a large number of people from afar, as in dropping a bomb on them from an airplane then it is to look them in the eye and watch them die. Infantry soldiers suffer from PTSD, bombardiers do not. one of us is capable of killing. Very few of us want to kill. Very few of us actually do kill is, I think, closer to our circumstance. Many pathologies of the brain can and do cause aberrant behaviors. Pathologies of our neural pathways are far less understood. The advent of Fmri is offering suggestive insights, for sure. But no one has a real clue yet, for example, as to what happens in our connectomes: the wiring, if you will, that connects our neurons. If your refrigerator wiring is too small a gage, for example, you'll have compressor problems or something. I cannot recall right now the title but I remember first wondering about this when I saw a movie where this poor fellow was driven to kill and he told someone that when the urge struck he smelled something that to him was like pig shit and turpentine. In the end they killed him from a helicopter, I think. The point is that we have very little understanding about what controls our actions, mass murderers included.

Things that make you go hmmmm..... WASHINGTON A husband-and-wife legal team from Miami is joining President Donald Trump’s personal legal team in the special counsel's Russia investigation. Jane Serene Raskin and Marty Raskin, two former federal prosecutors and veteran defense lawyers who have a private practice in Coral Gables, are joining Trump’s team along with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Weinstein said the community of former federal prosecutors in Miami is small and it was known that the Raskins supported Trump. He was not surprised they were picked, but found it curious that Trump would pick lawyers from South Florida as opposed to New York or Washington. “It raises the question that he might be looking at vulnerabilities in South Florida,” Weinstein said.

Here's a thread you started in 2013 with a link to Alex Jones's Infowars site. When someone said they didn't read anything from Infowars you said "Your loss". Here is a thread from 2014 you started with an Infowars link, where someone tells you that Infowars is a conspiracy theory site led by Alex Jones. Here's one from 2015 where you post another Infowars link and several people respond to you, and you to them, with Alex Jones' name. And here is another thread from exactly a year ago where you start pretending not to know who Alex Jones is, despite having swallowed his nonsense hook, line and sinker on numerous occasions. Why the lies, Rush? Why all of the stupid, obvious, easily proven lies? Marc's sayings are not reasoned opinions as much as they are regurgitations from a belief system. Until FOX and the whole right wing media enterprise gave them ostensible experts to quote and follow it was usually easy to defeat their claims and gain their silence for a while. Now they have mail order medical degrees in cutting and pasting and are as expert as their experts, so there! Like Ron and Jaybird he can not give a millimeter or the whole thing starts falling apart. Those who subscribe to Marc's way of thinking (who are, apparently, an astonishing 63 million in number), in the same way as the devoutly religious, can not by reason or fact be persuaded otherwise. Without realizing it they simply follow Stephen Jay Gould's, quite wrong I think, theory that our domains of thinking and theirs are non-overlapping magisteria. In the end, their delusions and their tribes are all they have. And, like the devoutly religious, they believe the end times are nigh and the evidence, in the form of Obama/Satan's and Clinton/Benghazi's and yada, yada, yada is everywhere if only we would open our dumb progressive science gay loving liberal eye's and just look. Hence my belief that there is absolutely zero to be gained by engaging them in conversation. It will never, ever go anywhere but to back the where it began.

With the help of cheating and to the detriment of the country. Why do you hate your country, Ron? That's the Gold Star question. Good luck, Ron.

I am not concerned with his moral defects. I don't know for certain if we have ever had a totally moral POTUS. FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford (Maybe), Carter (Maybe), Reagan, HWBush, Clinton, GWBush, Obama and President Trump are questionable. Those are the ones in my lifetime. NBD As ever, your tortured logic and false morality are on full display. Most humorous, to me at least, is how your views are as blindered as they are unexceptional, except of course, amongst certain groups who identify as Christian. I trolled you, Ron. I knew you'd do the Christian/Trump lover two step and I sucked you in for my own amusement. Thank you.

I heard it was someone on DZ.com who regularly posts on SC.

Which would be legitimate if they were purely political partisan attacks. But concealing payoffs to porn stars and other high crimes. Should be paid for by trump personally. Not by tax-deductible political donations. The alleged payoff came from President Trump's attorney and the incident allegedly took place in 2006. President Trump was simply a business tycoon at that time. I know that fake news has a different account. NBD ETA: Are you concerned about the $15M Congressional Hush Fund? When you wrote this, did you actually believe it was 2006? Yes, it is the only time frame I've heard. You must now recognize that your information is inaccurate, to put it mildly. Given that it is your information that forms your political views, are you now prepared to concede, at the minimum, that President Trump has certain severe moral defects?

Which would be legitimate if they were purely political partisan attacks. But concealing payoffs to porn stars and other high crimes. Should be paid for by trump personally. Not by tax-deductible political donations. The alleged payoff came from President Trump's attorney and the incident allegedly took place in 2006. President Trump was simply a business tycoon at that time. I know that fake news has a different account. NBD ETA: Are you concerned about the $15M Congressional Hush Fund? When you wrote this, did you actually believe it was 2006?

Interesting Law School Cohen chose. Certainly, he might be the cleverest lawyer Cooley Law School ever produced and there could be any number of reasons he ended up where he did. But I doubt his CV has Mueller and team up at nights. Western Michigan University Cooley Law School is an American Bar Association accredited law school. WMU-Cooley has four campuses. Its main campus is in Lansing, Michigan and its satellite campuses are in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Auburn Hills, Michigan, and Tampa, Florida.[3][4] First year courses may be taken at Western Michigan University's Kalamazoo campus.[5] An affiliation between Cooley and Western Michigan University went into effect on August 13, 2014. According to Cooley's ABA required disclosures, only 27.4% of graduates from the class of 2015 obtained full-time, long term, bar passage required employment 9 months after graduation.[6] 23.8% of graduates were unemployed 9 months after graduation.[7] Only 51.86% of graduates managed to pass a state bar exam in 2015, a requirement to practice law.[8] In 2017, the school was one of ten American law schools found to be out of compliance with the American Bar Association's requirement that schools only admit students who appear capable of earning a J.D. degree and passing the bar examination.[9] The school was recently ranked the worst law school in the country by Above the Law.[10]

Were you an agnostic atheist would you still vote boobies? If cats had no opinion on religion or Harvard would you care? Please be gentle with me as you are one of the few people, outside of Billvon occasionally, whose opinions I respect here.

There had better be a damn good reason for impeachment with broad support from both parties if that is what happens. As bad as Trump is a clearer picture will emerge on the future after the mid-terms. If the House changes hands and Trump is impeached with D only action it will be very bad for America. And it will be futile because there will be no conviction in the Senate. Elections have consequences. Agreed. But it is not outside the realm of plausibility that the running-mate was involved in campaign shenanigans, like so many others closely involved the campaign. If that turn out to be the case, I expect him to be held accountable. I reckon gowlerk's got it right. Douchebags are douchebags. All of the R's, whose triangulating could put Hillary to shame, will hang tight in ass save mode. I personally believe Mike Pence (whose anagram nick name is Emcee Pink, curiously enough) is along for the Christian Coup ride and could not give a holy poop about what is going on beyond judgeships. Unless Trump resigns we ought to be resigned to Trump as President until 2020. That, I think, is what Pence wants. Attached is a map of assholes in the US. Washington DC is out of the blue and into the green indicating a moderate possibility of two assholes being in immediate proximity lowering the probability of Pence also being a complete asshole. Now, if they were in New York... Edited to correct Chicago for New York. It's cocktail hour....

Agreed. We've given Jay way more attention than he deserves.

Dude. I am 0% frustrated. Are you? What it meant was that you don't prove everything like you would a science experiment. Et tu? Likewise. Et Tu? In this fantasy am I your Caeser?

I guess we can add stress to the frustration you are feeling. Remember this? It's your quote. "I think the point in all this is, despite it not being a calculable "proof," that it is a reasonable "wager." More reasonable than the atheistic alternative, in my opinion. I know you disagree." That, Jay, was tacit admission that you have no proofs. You are now down to games and insults about the intelligence and education of your adversaries. What is abundantly clear is that neither you or Ron have any practice arguing your case. All of your experience is explaining your case to willing listeners and it shows. Here is different. Here those who disagree with you don't give a rat's ass how awesome you feel about things. Here you need to man up and own what you say. Today it means giving facts and not feelings or conceding the field. If you have no facts just say so and let's all move on.

No. There's plenty of evidence for God's existence. I tried to put it in legal terms as in a trial. Standard of proofs as in preponderance of the evidence vs. proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I put forth matter, energy, particularly information, and your conscience as general evidence of God. I might also add time. I believe all of those things had an origin and, specifically with information, an intelligent source. Again, I know you disagree. I'm ok with that. You just place your faith differently. You merely wrote four words: - Matter - Energy - Information - Conscience Now develop why each of those words is proof of God or the supposed Gods omniscience. And please do not refer to what secularists believe as faith. That's just another silly trick to put our positions on an equal footing with yours. It's no different from the "polite society card". What I believe has factual, scientific support. You have in no way offered anything that can be called a preponderance of evidence. You quote the Bible. You quote interpretations of the Bible. Science and Religion are not co-equal domains. One demands proof the other demands blind faith. You have no proof and you well know it.

Joe, No amount of evidence would ever satisfy you. That's some weak shit, Jay. You are holding an empty bag and you know it.

If someone claimed they found Ghengis Khan's grave, and as a consequence you now needed to organize your life around it, you'd ask them to prove it, yes? Don't make yourself a martyr or a victim here, Jay. Either prove that you can factually assert the existence of God and that this God is omniscient or retract the statement.