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The Holy Spirit is dealing with me now about this issue. At the time you were bragging about aiding and abetting an enemy of the U.S.A. in a wartime situation. I was angered and I reacted, yes, overreacted. I was foolish and nothing productive has come from my transgression. At this juncture, I sincerely apologize. I am sorry for my behavior and I ask for your forgiveness. And who advised you to rat him out? The Holy Spirit? The Devil? Some other poltergeist? I'm curious, Ron, if it's always the devil making you do it why do you need forgiveness? I found your private reply to me, a reply to this post which I reply to here, both nonsensical and self serving. I am stunned that you go through the day believing in woo-woo crap like that ratting out TK was an "ego linear decision based on personal emotion justified by acute patriotism". Hardly. You were just being a garden variety asshole. Why not tell TK directly that, like you, he also needed his conscience freed? My query was as to which Spirit caused you to do the awful thing that now needs forgiveness. And, if it was caused by one of your Spirits, then why would you need forgiveness? For your answer I'm told you are in therapy with the Holy Spirit. Nuff said, I reckon. Ron, I mean this: I think you are beyond bad for our country. You want to jam your religious garbage down all of our throats and cause us to live according to some damn idiot interpretation of those bogus old books you cherish. But that's not all of it. You also want the rest of us to live in accordance with the racism, bigotry, misogynism and intellectual laziness that is your natural self and which fits so neatly into the brand of religion you spout. The United States is just a locale, globally speaking, and just a moment in time historically speaking. Christianity is just one of the monotheism's all of which are plagiarisms from a variety previous one true faiths. There is simply nothing special about it. Worldwide, secularism is ascendant. The peoples of the world are realizing that less religion equals more happiness. Were you to pry yourself out of happy land and travel you might learn that multiculturalism thrives and the world by necessity is becoming more heterogenous over time. Views such as yours are in a long denouement and that will not change. Now that doesn't mean you can't fuck things up for the rest of us in the meantime. You can and that's my bitch. But in the end, and what consoles me, is that all that you believe will be left on histories dump heap.

Marc, I have a video for you. I don't think you have the patience to watch it or the capacity to understand it but I offer it by way of explanation. The problem for most folks, like you, is that things happen too quickly or too slowly for them to comprehend. That, or things are too large or too small for them to grasp. I would prefer to offer to you one of Feynman's Cornell lectures but I doubt you would do other than consider it a waste of your valuable time. So instead here is a time lapse video of a glacier calving. Do yourself a big favor and think about it. https://youtu.be/7tyfSlnMe8E

That and the ballot box again. Well that reply certainly makes things clear. I guess the harmless neighborhood kid who likes beating on cats is moving on to bigger game. It isn't just Ron who should make you worried. It's them and they don't think they need you anymore. They are that emboldened. He could easily have said, "Thanks, Wendy, I do expect that the Holy Spirit will fill all of the worlds hearts and change will come. Have a Blessed Day." Nope. They intend to ram it down our throats at the ballot box. Based on how things have gone, who can argue they won't? Progressives seem unable to stop believing that hugs will win the war when actually hugs are best reserved for after the war. Make no mistake about it, these crazy assholes have declared war on progressive values and they are winning. Now, we may hope to win back the House in November but they'll still have the Senate, Supreme Court and the White House. We may hope Mueller will deliver impeachable offenses and we may hope that something will come of it. On the other hand, they don't need to hope for what they'll damn sure have in November. Nor will they need to hope that in 2020 there will be another Jill Stein to take more votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin than the winning margin that gave Trump the Presidency. They can now expect it and they are acting like it. I say it again, it isn't Ron or Marc. It's them. And they do not feel that they need to pretend to play nice anymore. They have the ballot box.

The Left has been embroiled in a cultural war against America since the advent of the children of the '60s. President Trump is our first wartime president in this cultural war. The progressive left cannot be bargained with any longer. It must be summarily defeated. The strategy, as I see now, is to make America economically and militarily strong and secure our borders and thus stop illegal immigration. The progressive left can only intensify the hatred and conflict of the division. They are well rooted in the shadow government and the deep state. They must be systematically uncovered and moved to a position of neutrality. The cultural war is similar to the cold war. Let us all hope and pray that we can tear down the wall before the nuclear option is mandatory. I'm a little surprised this revealing statement by Ron, and his few lame responses, have received so little play. This is not his ever quaint way of stating things. This is who he is and what he really believes. And it's not just him. This notion that he can be reasoned with or add to a conversation by explaining things from his extreme point of view has played out a failure here again and again. I've gone so far as to directly call him out for lying, for saying things he does not believe which, in allegiance to his twisted beliefs, he can not deny. Apparently lying about being a liar is taking matters a bit too far. Read his post for what it is: he wants us neutralized and he's not talking vasectomies, Marc. He is fatigued by efforts to bring us to our senses. He believes we can not be bargained with any longer and must be summarily defeated. Or, get yourselves ready, it's the nuclear option. There is a reason Ron isn't bothered by the idea of putting kids in cages. In his mind, the problem is not having enough cages. This is the drumbeat to anarchy that so many people chant to these days. However, right thinking people are still in the majority in this country. We do not need to let happen what is happening, especially the nirvana Ron envisions. But we need to stop limiting ourselves to discussing the words; we need to discuss the people. I once referred here to Ron and his ilk and received a warning from Bill. That was wrong. Ilk is not a pejorative term. More importantly, they see us as ilk's and that's how they are beating us. They know that ilk's like us will roll over on robbed Supreme Court seats, pee on our bellies and let pass into the cabinet someone like Betsy DeVoss and, just like crows, allow ourselves to get distracted by something shiny just before the mid-terms and fuck that up, too. Ron posted a road map to dystopia. If we don't change the conversation, that's where we're going.

The Holy Spirit is dealing with me now about this issue. At the time you were bragging about aiding and abetting an enemy of the U.S.A. in a wartime situation. I was angered and I reacted, yes, overreacted. I was foolish and nothing productive has come from my transgression. At this juncture, I sincerely apologize. I am sorry for my behavior and I ask for your forgiveness. And who advised you to rat him out? The Holy Spirit? The Devil? Some other poltergeist? I'm curious, Ron, if it's always the devil making you do it why do you need forgiveness?

What amazes me is how a smug asshole like Trump can become President because his opponents are even worse smug assholes. This Country desperately needs a third party. If we don't get a successful challenger to the Democrat and Republican lock out of the last election then nothing will ever do it. we currently have the best president that we've ever had in your and my lifetime. The Left has been embroiled in a cultural war against America since the advent of the children of the '60s. President Trump is our first wartime president in this cultural war. The progressive left cannot be bargained with any longer. It must be summarily defeated. The strategy, as I see now, is to make America economically and militarily strong and secure our borders and thus stop illegal immigration. The progressive left can only intensify the hatred and conflict of the division. They are well rooted in the shadow government and the deep state. They must be systematically uncovered and moved to a position of neutrality. The cultural war is similar to the cold war. Let us all hope and pray that we can tear down the wall before the nuclear option is mandatory. Brilliant, Herr Goebbels. Now we all know what needs to be done so let's get on with the job.

But of which country? A great comment from one of the most anti-American posters on this site! Marc, You are a Jingoist, in the colloquial sense. If that works for you and makes your day happier, go for it. But it is not anti-American to question national values. I would, in fact, argue that it is essential to the American experience. Joe Only three shopping days until the 14th anniversary of the prohibition against personal attacks on SC.

It must be hard for you. Trying to argue with a man who knows words and uses them correctly. It just seems so unfair to subject your "logic" to such scrutiny. "Walk in to any gun show" These aren't complicated words, or logic. Bill lied. Half the country can't legally purchase a gun without a 4473 check. No kid under 21 can legally do it for hand guns anywhere. He didn't do it by mistake, or ignorance. He doesn't want to admit it, nor do you or Skydekker. He had a chance to take it back, but instead tried to double down. He then tried to tie me to fear of sharia or gay marriage, which is pathetic. (I live in San Francisco, graduated from Berkeley) It's right out of Trump's book. Deflect, attack, admit no error. You guys give Rush shit for this sort of thing all the time. Be honest and admit to the same. All the postings here have limited impact on wingloading BSRs....do you really think it has > 0.00000% impact on legislative policy? Or will save lives? This is a circle jerk, nothing more. Contacting your representatives, and most importantly voting is what matters. The gun opposition openly acknowledges that it's not the NRA money that gives them power, it's their voting members. Though maybe it jumped the shark in selecting Ollie North as its new lead. A key benefit (one of the few) of the Trump election is that the 2nd amendment will remain secure for decades longer. HC could have threatened that. I'm not thrilled with the likelihood we'll regress on gay rights, but it's the one silver lining. Now that's interesting. No erosion of your gun rights is preferable to the preservation of another American citizen's human rights. You don't mean that, right?

That sentiment absolutely boggles my mind. Coming from a poster that thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who was planted to take over the US government, grab your guns and set the stage for a Muslim invasion - that boggleation of yours is pretty funny. Given that Ron's statements are apparently not tethered to his beliefs examining them is a complete waste of time.

I also have a couple of expensive skydiving rigs, a bottle of 40 year old Glenfarclas with only a few drams consumed, a few pairs of expensive sunglasses and framed piece of priceless art. (attached) And don't forget: a Beretta 1301 Tactical loaded with buckshot.

I can’t say a firearm has saved me, but it did save my wallet once. I’ve never needed a seatbelt, AAD, airbag, smoke detector, fire extinguisher, or for at least 20 years, a spare tire. So why go through all the trouble for any of these just in case items? Self reliance I suppose. I have answered your questions. Here’s one for you. You mentioned giving an inch. What happens when they outlaw your 12 guage? I mean, you don’t need a 12 guage for home defense. A 16 guage would work and less risk to neighbors. Derek V Good question. My answer is simple: I would rely on what would then be a more reasonable interpretation of the Second Amendment. I'm cool with being well regulated. I am also cool with someone pointing out that automatic weapons are not the same as muskets. I also think my constitutional right to keep and bear arms will survive examination of my totally sweet, you need to get one, Beretta Tactical. I think there is a lot of camels nose under the tent freaking out going on by those who will not give an inch and that's a big part of the problem.

Colorado passed the magazine limit law. What is the result? Magpul left the state, taking jobs and tax revenue with them. You can go to another state and buy as many 30-round magazines you want and bring them back to Colorado. Since they are not stamped with a DOM, there is no way to know if you had them before the law or not. You can go into gun shops and buy 30-round magazine kits and in about 10 seconds, assemble a 30-round magazine. So, net result? Loss of jobs and tax revenue. Good job, idiots. Where am I? No, I do not hunt. I haven’t bought a firearm in probably 5+ years. I don’t have a large collection. Yes, I carry a firearm. I also have several fire extinguishers, check my spare tire regularly, wear a seatbelt, have 2 smoke detectors in the house (just had to replace one), have an AAD in both of my rigs (one speed cypres and one vigil), and wear a helmet when riding one of my motorcycles. I do not believe the pro-gun control is about saving lives. It is about gun control. More gun control laws are not going to solve the problem. Derek V Except for carrying a firearm, I know people who've been saved by each item in your list. That's the thing that leaves me baffled. Ron say's he carries as do all of his friends but could not name a single time he or his friends have been saved by their CCW or, for that matter, saved anyone else. Have you been saved by your CCW? Sure it might happen but you might as well ground yourself from lightning every time you stop for all the likelihood of needing it. So why go to the trouble?

Right, that would equate to a national registry. That is why no one knows how many guns are out there. Just the number of back ground checks. They may not have bought a gun or have bought several with 1 background check. Derek V Derek, I come by my guns from my hunting history which, except for gophers, is long gone. Outside of that I have a BRNO flare launcher and a Beretta home defense shotgun. Do you hunt or collect? I ask because it seems usual to me that hard core 2nd Amendment never give an inch gun people are more in the AR-15 shoot trees or fear the government crowd. Where are you?

Yep, all of that has to be kept by the dealer for 7 years, I think. Derek V By the dealer only? Interesting. You'd think the Fed's would slurp that up before giving me the nod. That would then be a record showing that I got it playing by the rules not from my cuz.

Logic? For example. I buy a firearm from a friend without complying with the background law. How would law enforcement know and then prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law I bought it without a background check? Derek V Derek, When I bought a shotgun at a gun shop last year they did a background check. I'm curious, do you know what information is given by the shop? Name only? Type of Gun? Serial #? Joe

I agree that certain types of firearms should be controlled, but the current system works to control those firearms. I do not see how registration will prevent mass shootings. I do see how registration is the first step in confiscation. Pro-gun control supporters will take any new gun control laws they can get. Here in Colorado, 5 years ago they passed 2 new gun control laws. Universal background checks, which did nothing, and magazine size limit. The state senator that sponsored this law, Mary Hodge, thought that this law would cause 30-round magazine to quickly be used up since she thought they could only be used once. This is why I do not trust new gun control laws and ask how they would work. I don't see how they would. I think the end goal is extreme gun control, verging on confiscation. One small step at a time, aka boiling a frog. ***I've been open about what firearms I have and want to protect. Are you willing to post what you have that you want to protect? I ask the same of everyone posting on this thread. You made a jump from "there is a problem" to "action is required" to what guns do you want to keep? I do not agree with that chain of reasoning. You want to save lives? Require GPS speed limiters, ignition breathalyzers, real initial and recurrent driver training, and cell phones that are disabled in vehicles. Now there is some low hanging fruit. Derek V Derek, That there is a problem and that action is required are my personal opinions. When I see a problem I want to fix it. I'm not sure that is making a leap. As to disclosing our personal arsenals, it seems to me that there might be a real connection between the types of weapons we own and where we each stand on interpreting the Second Amendment. Mostly, I was hoping someone like Marc would exclaim that he doesn't want the bad guys to know he has guns in his house! Or that saying so on the internet was the actual first step towards registration!! Joe Derek, Now I'm intrigued. Are you uncomfortable disclosing certain weapons in your arsenal? Joe

OK, I agree with the above. Have a wonderful day. What was wrong with this bit? "that unless you believe that you can not say it, hence". I get it that everything is going up and up with no relief in sight but, at least out here in Libland, the cost of cutting and pasting is still holding steady at zero. Some cynical bastard might think that you hold that you can say it and not believe it, hence your exclusion. Care to try again? Ron, do you hold that you can say something and not believe it and is that why you, apparently intentionally, excluded that bit when you quoted me in reply? Ron, this won't just go away. Why not just admit that you say things you do not believe and be at peace?

I agree that certain types of firearms should be controlled, but the current system works to control those firearms. I do not see how registration will prevent mass shootings. I do see how registration is the first step in confiscation. Pro-gun control supporters will take any new gun control laws they can get. Here in Colorado, 5 years ago they passed 2 new gun control laws. Universal background checks, which did nothing, and magazine size limit. The state senator that sponsored this law, Mary Hodge, thought that this law would cause 30-round magazine to quickly be used up since she thought they could only be used once. This is why I do not trust new gun control laws and ask how they would work. I don't see how they would. I think the end goal is extreme gun control, verging on confiscation. One small step at a time, aka boiling a frog. ***I've been open about what firearms I have and want to protect. Are you willing to post what you have that you want to protect? I ask the same of everyone posting on this thread. You made a jump from "there is a problem" to "action is required" to what guns do you want to keep? I do not agree with that chain of reasoning. You want to save lives? Require GPS speed limiters, ignition breathalyzers, real initial and recurrent driver training, and cell phones that are disabled in vehicles. Now there is some low hanging fruit. Derek V Derek, That there is a problem and that action is required are my personal opinions. When I see a problem I want to fix it. I'm not sure that is making a leap. As to disclosing our personal arsenals, it seems to me that there might be a real connection between the types of weapons we own and where we each stand on interpreting the Second Amendment. Mostly, I was hoping someone like Marc would exclaim that he doesn't want the bad guys to know he has guns in his house! Or that saying so on the internet was the actual first step towards registration!! Joe

Please explain. Derek V Derek, I think he's pointing out that the question is unanswerable as to how many. It might be arguable that no system of controlling who has certain types of firearms could succeed without registration. Hence, if you agree that certain types of firearms should be controlled then you ought to agree that registration is part of the solution. I'm guessing that you definitely do not agree. Me, I'm converted to Bigun's definitions and solutions, in the main, simply because I believe there is a problem and action is required. Better than others he is able to wrap it up, and explain it, sensibly and without undo hardship or infringement. I've been open about what firearms I have and want to protect. Are you willing to post what you have that you want to protect? I ask the same of everyone posting on this thread. Joe

I for one would fight registration with everything I have. It's step number one to confiscation. Have they confiscated your vote? Your car? Your Social Security? Your paranoia?

OK, I agree with the above. Have a wonderful day. What was wrong with this bit? "that unless you believe that you can not say it, hence". I get it that everything is going up and up with no relief in sight but, at least out here in Libland, the cost of cutting and pasting is still holding steady at zero. Some cynical bastard might think that you hold that you can say it and not believe it, hence your exclusion. Care to try again? Ron, do you hold that you can say something and not believe it and is that why you, apparently intentionally, excluded that bit when you quoted me in reply?

So, WTF is $130,000? It's not a Fibonacci number or the latest extension of PI and it sure as hell didn't come from Trumps Feng Shui Master. What it is, is too little. The Prez simply underpaid for the service.

Then I support your proposal. I'll be hiding my grenade launcher, though.

Don't give up on my post because I have to vent first. Herein lies the issue with the right's resistance to the left's we're scared and we want to do something, anything that makes us feel warm and fuzzy without talking to the experts. And, the reason for the 1994 insanity. So, at the end, I'm going to make it really easy. Lot of words, but again, you're all over the board. None of this matters. NONE of it. The military teaches all three based on situational factors. When to use single shot, when to use three round bursts, when to go full auto (we're talking standard M-16ish military weapons.) So now, this is where you should focus. I'm sitting in a nice dark poker room with a few of my liberal buddies (you guys) and the conversation is the usual gun control shit. I'm not saying anything as I listen to all the non-expert we need to ban rhetoric surrounding empty and proven useless legislation. Then, somebody leans over and says, "So, if you were a liberal how would you handle it?" That's easy. I'd make the legislative line of demarcation as ban Gas-Chambered weapons and allow no restrictions on Bolt-Action. "Why whatever do you mean, Mr. Maverick, sir?" Gas-Chambered - Basically, some of the expanding gas from a fired round is diverted from the barrel and used to thrust the bolt assembly rearward, ejecting the spent cartridge and stripping a fresh round off the magazine into the chamber on the return. NOTE: these are the easiest for the layman to add bump stocks, 3 round burst kits, little parts that someone with a little bit of machine shop knowledge could use to create a small device to slip over the internal side of the selector switch which when rotated carves over the sear and makes it fully auto. Those gas chambered weapons look like THESE. Bolt-Action - is a type of firearm action where the handling of cartridges into and out of the weapon's barrel chamber are operated by manually manipulating the bolt directly via a handle, which is most commonly placed on the right-hand side of the weapon (as most users are right-handed). When the handle is operated, the bolt is unlocked from the receiver and pulled back to open the breech, allowing the spent cartridge case to be extracted and ejected... Those bolt action weapons look like THESE. Sidebar: This is why your third point is moot. Take a look at the left side of the page. See all the different calibers? The .22 Long-rifle is famous for being used to teach farm/ranch kids how to shoot critters. And, then you have the awesomeness of the .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 NATO. A favorite among big game hunters and a long time sniper round. Here's the rub. Given the "situation" that .22 LR may be more effective in the hands of someone well trained; than that of the .308 in the hands of a winter-time game hunter. Gas Chambered vs. Bolt Action - This video will depict the difference between the gas & bolt weapons. Keep in mind; these gentlemen are Special Forces Weapons Experts with advanced training in target interdiction (sniper school) using standard non-modified gas & bolts. The gas one is your "scary" one that probably has a selector switch that is set to "single" but can be flipped up to "auto." In summary - if I were a tree-hugging liberal, gentlemen; I'd go for the legislation that proposes to ban gas-chambered rifles. Now, let's go back to playing some poker. Someone check on Rush. He's seems to have passed out. And, could someone pass me a beer, please. Holy Crap! Would I need to give up my Beretta Tactical? Maybe I'm not a Liberal.

OK, I agree with the above. Have a wonderful day. What was wrong with this bit? "that unless you believe that you can not say it, hence". I get it that everything is going up and up with no relief in sight but, at least out here in Libland, the cost of cutting and pasting is still holding steady at zero. Some cynical bastard might think that you hold that you can say it and not believe it, hence your exclusion. Care to try again?