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i OK....First off you do not know me and do not know my jumping charactoristics. I am not a go go go jumper. I try to understand the risks of everything that I am about to do. Now to answer some of the things you mentioned..... 1) If I was an expert I wouldnt have come on here in the first post asking peoples thoughts would I? No I would have ahead and done the jump, posted photos and then moved on. I never claimed to be an expert...you made me one. Dont assume or else you make...nevermind. 2)Again..negative. Here is a clue for you. Next time you post make is something along the lines of...."When I jumped it was very difficult to get the door open, and that would appear to be the difficult thing in this situation. Try to spend hours with the plane before hand learning. Discuss with the pilot the ways to open the door...when I did it was hard, we actually took the door off." See now that helpful....not negative. You have done it...share how you did it. Get it? 3) OK...so instead of recommending it you immediatly took the opportunity to call it out? I planned on it and therefore didnt post on it. 4) It is this mentality that will make me leaving the place as a forum and this sport as a whole. People come here and ask for advice on things. I am not a know it all, I love to learn...the BIGGEST problem with this sport is true know it alls that dont want to share their knowledge to help out a fellow jumper? Your posts are not gloomy...they are poking holes. They poke holes instead of offering up solutions. Solutions to problems are what keeps people alive, poking holes does nothing but hold your knowledge to yourself and keep others in the dark from evolving. Joe EDIT: Post edited out of respect for jimmytavino..My apologies man, but when you make judgements about someone expect the same in return.

lol.....I will try not too. I am going to take all the risks into account and limit them as much as possible. If there is a big deterant I will not do it...my main concern and reason for maybe not doing it is not wanting to risk my friends pilots license. Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

Spence...you and others have been extremely helpful and I appreciate that a lot. So thanks...

First...I would like to thank you for being the first person to post in the thread without some assistance, but only negative notes. Now to answer some of your questions.... 1) Profile: Doesnt mean shit to me...I have been in the sport for more than 1 year just incase you were wondering. Also the 19000 jumps is a joke...

he is a very experienced pilot.... There are two willing pilots. One flies his own Jet, the Leir and his 206. The other flies his 206 joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I just think it would be sweet....

Thereis no corn anymore...its mown all flat so its a big field of dirt. WhenI say big I mean HUGE..

Ok...I am late on this...but does JP now live out here in Colorado?

OK..I know this has been discussed before. However...one of my clients not only has a new Leir Jet but he also has a 206 for screwing around....yeah he flies them both. Anyways..my GF's family lives on a farm with about 500+ acres of corn surrounding their house. Its probably more than that but lets just say it goes for about 1/2 mile in each direction from their home. I want to jump in the we early morning from the 206 and land in the corn field...lol Anyone say dont do it? Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I was in the flight room and all over the rest of the complex today due to a private tour done by our very own Derek.....Thanks dude!!! The flight chamber felt huge to me. I have never been in a tunnel and my concern was the walls and me when I hit them......This is big..room for a 4 way, or 1 solo to bounce of the walls like a crazy person in a padded room. The place looks sweet..cant wait to be a bumb there..:) Joe

I walked out my door and down the street for about 1 minute and watched them putting up the "Indoor skydiving" sign...hehe..yaya! joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I VOTE the plane doesnt take off unless it has the ability to slide and skid its way to take off. Anytime you have rotation of something you also have the factors of slipping and skidding. The plane wont be able to take off unless and it skid fast enough.

I have always wanted to jet ski off Niagra Falls with a BASE rig on...launch at 60 mph...deploy and land on the Maid of the Mist tour boat roof... joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

How can you 100% conclusively say that tyhe answer is X, when Y hasnt been ruled out yet? Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I personally think the plane will take off because there is the rotational force like stated before. Say the airplane makes 200,000 pounds of thrust and force to take off, the bearings, wheel on treadmill, and other frictional requirements involved, lets say and ALL other factors create 10,000 pound of negative force there is still 190,000 pounds of positive thrust that would need to be over come by the treadmill. I think the plane would take off in the end and all you would have to do is over power the level of drag created by all metal goods with pure forward thrust by the motors. joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I look forward ot it opening. I plan on walking over there to hang out and say Hi a lot...:) If you look at the intersection in skycats photo you see the entrance to my home...lol.:) I am excited...:) For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

The plane cant go anywhere without its motors. The plane gets its drive from its engines not the wheels spinning. Think about a person on a treadmill with rollerskates on holding onto a rope. The treadmill could be going 60mph against them, but if they were holding on to the rope they could still move forward against the treadmill by pulling with their arms. The planes wheels like rollerskate wheels are there to roll NOT propell. Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

The belt it working against the plane...The plane is facing and takine off north bound but the belt is running southbound...

#1: The belt runs from Nose to Tail. Wheel speed and rolling resistance comes into play, but the plane doesnt use Wheel speed to take off. The wheels can spin at 5000rpms or 2rpms...if enough forward speed of the plane it self is created it will leave the ground because of lift, not because the wheels spun. joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

The plane uses the wheels for support and nothing else. If the plane thrusts forward using the turbines the wheels roll...not the wheels rolling and driving the plane to air speed to take off. Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

My thought exactly...the plane doesnt get its force from the wheels. Its not like a car. I looked at it as this....Wheel speed can be determined in 2 ways...RPM and MPH. The plane uses thrust to move...NOT the wheels. Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

Why do you say that? I think it would... For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

Imagine a plane is sat on the beginning of a massive conveyor belt/travelator type arrangement, as wide and as long as a runway, and intends to take off. The conveyer belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time, moving in the opposite direction of rotation. There is no wind. Can the plane take off? Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

I am finding balance in my life right now Steve, and thanks for the kind words. I love to hike, bike, and ride my motorcycle. Sadly I just look at it as this.....When I wake up I look at 3 things, mtn bike, gear, motorcycle. mtn bike = free and tons of fun motorcycle = $8 of a grand old time jumping = $150 + to have some fun, but not the most fun... I would rather ride my bike 20 times than jump 1 day. Joe PS- Where did tweedle de and tweedle dumb go? For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.

Wow this thread turned into a retard fest. I didnt post this to create drama...the people creating drama are you holier than thou people. You two are probably the same type of people that flame someone when they come and ask for info. I know some people on here have been in this situation where they just feel bored with the sport, and some of the people in it. I was hoping someone who has been here would post some thoughts, and most did....besides you guys. Riddler and Keith: Thanks guys...you are two of the cooler people in the sport. Later dudes...:) Joe For long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection.