Darius11

Maybe the neighborhood kids are smart enough to remember you built your land by destroying your neighbors homes and have been treating them like shit for a long time, and they think you deserve alot more then a punch in the face. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t have a PS3, but played a lot of PS2 and the most realistic racing game was the Grand Turismo series so the latest one should be a good choice if you like realistic racing. If you like the arcadey stuff the NFS series are pretty fun. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I wish i had something good to say but all i can to is commiserate. This year has sucked. In the past 14 months i have gone from looking at the very real possibility of early retirement to losing every thing i have. Unfortunately it looks like i will have to start over. New place, new work, new life. I think when finances suffer so much it puts a lot of pursuer on every thing else. I find my mind wondering i just take a deep breath and remember i have been trough much worst and i will get through this as well. All you can do bro is your best. I wish all of us luck I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Off course all of it matters but you were asking why I am not commenting on 2000 years ago. Well because I don’t think the bombing going on today are because of 2000 years ago. I think all of the violence between Israel and Palestine in this century has been the result of Israel becoming a nation in 1948. That’s why I bring that date up. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I strongly disagree. I think just are show of outrage at atrocities is a huge improvement over it being considered the norm. Imagine sitting in your little village and it is common to be pillaged and the woman to be raped? No I truly think we live in less violent and more civil times. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

There will always be people who want chaos on both sides if you react to them and them only then all you will have is chaos. The one with more power also has more power for peace. Innocent Iran is very inocent compared to well almost any country. Iran has not invaded a single country in the past century. This is a fact that you refutted before but offered no proof to the contrary. Also Iran was the first country to right a doctrine on humane rights, and our First king even set the Jews free. So other then episodes of 24 and fox news where do you get genocide and Iran from? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Because it is in my lifetime and I feel I have a responsibility to speak out against injustices that are occurring. I was not here 2000 years ago and the standard for the world was different. The world was a much more violent place with out any international laws or even a standard for Humane rights. We do not live in those times anymore and I find it impossible to justify Israelis actions. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree. I was just pointing out the flaw in Darius' logic. And if Tonto came knocking on my door, I'd probably invite him in and offer him a beer...I know I'd need one! Blues, Dave It is not just me who is using dates as an argument. I love how on SC people bring up there reasons and you use thier standard weather it be dates, time, inocent lives lost whatever to prove there point wrong, and then all of a sudden the very standard they were applying changes once again. This tends to happen a lot. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Again you twist my words the people who moved there from Europe, America and all over the world after 1948 are the invaders. According to you most of the Jews lived there before any of this so it shouldn’t much of a problem. Dates are mentioned by all and all mention dates that fit their view. As mentioned before in my opinion you can go back all the way back to where there was no religions. There were just people there so you can not claim them as yours and I can not claim them as mine. As there was no Mohammed or Moses if you go back far enough. You have not answered my questions that I specifically posted twice why is that? Do you think there was an injustice done to the Palestinian people after the creation of Israel in 1948? That’s a simple question all I want is an answer. You can answer the two specific ones as well it would be good to know your view. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Was never a country However there were many people from many different religions living in the region that has had many names including Palestine. Israel was formed in 1948. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Hysterical stuff. Wow I wish I would make useless two word posts that take no courage to feel good about my self. How about you actually try mention something useful or factual for once. That would be a good change. I love people like you who take posts like mine and give a stupid one word comment. Honestly whats the point? Does it make you feel superior to not know any thing and be proud of it? How about if you have nothing to add don’t post. And what do you find funny rockets being fired, or patience needed to avoid major loss of inocent lives? what is "Hysterical stuff"? Do you think before you post..........you should try it some time. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Which country was "Ancient Israel" ? And whom are you including in ours? just people of Jewish decent or every one who was living there? Or are you claiming there was no one ever there and when there were they were of Jewish faith only? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well if you murder me the only true justice is to bring me back to life, but when that is not possible we need to find a compromise. But one must acknowledge the injustice done even if one knows they can never make up for it. Then maybe people can move on. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s exactly my point. There were conflicts and will always be conflict between different people and as we have discussed you can go back thousands of years. The problem starts when you make a country and support it to a point where it has superior power, but that country and its policies are cruel, inhumane, and racist. Now you have people who are oppressed, and you have an oppressor. Realistically there needs to be two states and Israel needs to not control the other states supplies, food and every thing else. The best way to stop the violence is by raising the standard of living so they are more similar on both sides. Just as Israel needs to be recognized as a nation, They also need to realize Palestine as a nation and not invade whenever they feel like it. There needs to be a UN force to moderate the transition, and Israel and its military needs to stand down and move back to the original borders. There will be attacks and rockets fired yet Israel needs to have a measured response. You can not jeopardize the future of two nations on the actions of just a few people who will not give it up. That’s the realistic answer. The Ethical answer based on Justice is that the land should be given back, and all the people who lived their Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live on the land. All who have moved and colonized the land that’s is not theirs should go back to where they came from. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

care to answer these? Did Israelis build homes on top of where Palestinian villages were? Did Israelis kill, and threaten to kill Villagers so they could take their land? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The same way I would try to explain how the catholic church fucks young boys and hides it from people. That the very voice of God the pope just transferred people who were raping children. If you want to know about Islam read the book. Organized religion is usually just used to stay in power over the weak-minded. I am not saying there are some crazy things said in the Koran but compared to all the crazy things said in the big 3 religions it is the most progressive. The reason I bolded it is I know there will be someone who will miss that part just to post something ridiculous as always. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Just one more. Do you take every thing you read in religious books as fact? talking snaks, made from a rib all that shit? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes it is a conspiracy all Muslims are programmed that way. I only say everything I am to achieve the goal. Must convert all. Do you realize how ridicules you sound? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

There was no Israel before 1948 so there was no oppressor, and no segregation. That’s what you seem to miss. Speaking of misinformed how about the denial of facts. Did Israelis build homes on top of where Palestinian villages were? Did Israelis kill, and threaten to kill Villagers so they could take their land? I know the answer to this obviously but it seems you are under the illusion that land that is currently occupied was just sitting there waiting for Israel to come along and claim it. That was not the case. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You’re the one using religious text as a valid deed to a land. Did I mention a talking snake told me I should own Microsoft so now its rightfully mine. Wow do you try to miss the point? Your religion last I checked does not give you rightful ownership to a land, and the pervious persecution of your people does not excuse you doing the same thing to others. It actually is even a sadder event as it shows you did not learn. You are truly clueless. Out of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam guess which of the religions actually accepts all the rest? Islam. So go read I know you hate every thing that’s Muslim but really you should at least read about something before you make false statements. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

A two State s solution might work when it is truly 50/50 When both parties have a say in where they would like the borders. It will not work when the stronger party keeps all the prime real estate and gives the people it stole the land from the shit holes. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

And you need to take the filters of your eyes and remember that there were people living on that land who have claim to that land whose ancestors have been on that land before there was even religions. But the Palestinian and Israeli conflict started when Israel was formed. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes if you can ever find one time where I have said Israel should not exist then you would have quoted it 900 times by now. So obviously first statement is you assumption that anyone that points out the facts that show Israel in the true light wants all the Jews to die. That’s getting old. I don’t know how many times we have to over this, no matter who is quoted and how many times Idrankwhat has posted links you seem to miss the point. ACCORDING TO THE WORLD ISREIL IS NOT IN ITS LEAGAL VORDERS AND IS BRAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW. Now if you think that’s not the case that’s your issue. And your sure thats not happend right? What do you think will happen when you drop a huge bomb on a university? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN. When was Isreail formed? Thats what i tought Before the formation of Israel there were people of all faiths living on the land. There was no single oppressive power that segregated, and dehumanized the rest. Facts are a pain in the ass. Yes I know that many in Israel would love to commit out right genocide and get rid of those pesky non-Israelis, but the world would not stand for it. At least I hope not. There is already a big resentment being built up in the US because of yet again another Israeli attack. I hope it grows so my tax dollars no longer have to support a country which stands against every thing the United States stand for. Killing civilians is wrong by any one. I don’t know how many times I have said this yet you tend to ignore it. Yet again Israel is the oppressor, and the thief. All it has to do is stop oppressing and not be a thief and all the violence would stop. People wonder why a person scarifies their lives to fight Israel, and think some are crazy for doing so. I think I would fight to death to take back my home, and I am not going to think anyone who has been squeezed so hard for so long (60 years) is crazy. What choice do they have? Grab their ankles? Their food, water, and whole lives are controlled by the very people who took every thing from them. Do you ever see that and wonder how it would feel? So how many Palestinian Woman and children are expendable in your book? And is that the same number apply for Israelis Woman and children as well? Because once again you can compare numbers and there is a lot more inocent blood on Israeli hands, but let me guess that’s different because the bombs Israelis use fall from the sky right????????? Sorry my morals are not so fluid. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

And there were people living in that area before there were even religions whats your point? The bases for the Palestinian and Israel conflict started in 48. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Hope your enjoying the massive deaths of woman and children as well. It seems you think like the Israelis and value no other life then your own. You should watch some Israelis torture video to get you off. Was you’re latte the right tempter this morning? Wouldn’t want you to be too uncomfortable. You just such a manly man you know getting of on death sooooooooooooo coooool. Can I be just like you? "Where is the puke smily when you need it" I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain