Darius11

yes, I'm sure it's very comforting to you. I for one am getting really sick of listening to the arguments about how one side is slightly more/less of a pig-headed violent asshole than the other side. Then stop reading dude no one is making you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

First I didn’t know you were the face of Israeli and it's government if you are then: You really don’t need to say anything bro. When you see hundreds of civilians killed as an acceptable loss for the release of a few solders that says it all. When you think your government is right for starting a war and destroying a nation it is obvious what you value. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You know I think you put it best. They don’t value anyone life but there own and wonder why people are willing to kill themselves just to kill a few of the Israelis. This morning I heard yet another raciest propagandist report. It said that Hazbolah has killed about a dozen Israeli citizens half were civilian, off course it forgot to mention how many civilians Israelis have killed so far. How much you want to bet there ahead on the civilian killing by far? It’s good to know that when it comes to killing inocent civilians (which every one believes is cruel and a barbaric act) Israel is way ahead. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You forgetting one big issue. We did not steal the Afghanis land we did not kill their children daily and say; "oops it is collateral damage". We also don’t treat Afghanistan like shit for the past 60 years and wonder why they want to kill us. So please don’t try to make what the United States did look like what the Israelis are doing and have done for years. Please do not disrespect the US by comparing it to Israeli. As much as I do not like the current administration in the US we are talking apples and oranges here. The Israeli government deserves every thing they get. They are one of the most racisist and cruel government on the planet. They want the ability to arrest any one for any reason at any time, and when they kill innocent Palestinians they just want to be forgiven and for it to be considered a mistake, but if a few of there solders get kidnapped they start a war and have no issue killing inocent people. It is clear as day that they ONLY value Israeli life and consider all other life 2nd class at best. Sorry but no matter how you look at it The Israeli government gets no respect from me when it comes to Humane rights and a moral ground. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

only 3. First BEER and 2nd wingsuit flight ever. Thanks you Lurch for being such an awesome instructor man. I had a blast and can't wait for another hit of the nylon crack I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

What an awesome feeling Bro. Thank you so much for taking all the time you did man. You answered all of my questions with a smile and made me feel comfortable. If I hear of anyone who needs a kick-ass Birdman instructor you’re the first person I am going to recommend. That was just such a kick ass feeling man. Just can’t even express it with words. You rock lurch Can't wait till next weekend. I feel like i just started jumping Also a thank you to Kris thanks for getting the suit to me and just being a cool person to deal with. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

great post I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The scientology episode will be aired agian on the 19th SUCK IT TOM CRUSE I love all of them. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That would be awesome. But I have nothing against Ori. I view him as one of the most fair and intelligent debaters on here. I disagree with a lot of people on here but if they are ever come to Jumptown and invited me on a jump I would consider it an honor. Most likely when u see and introduce your self you would get a handshake or a big hug. Jumptown is my home and all are welcome. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

why? i don't know. my Family had lived in Hebron for centuries and they were forced out in the 1929 riots (read about the 29 riots, or the 1936-1939 ones) and moved to Tel-Aviv. I'm very careful when pulling the Anti semitism card. its a serious matter and I don't call someone an anti semite when they don't like Israel. the conflict here is about land, not about religion (although the religious difference is not helping). there are two nations with valid claims to the same small strip of land. they need to share it and settle for less than what is rightfully theirs. and yes, i'm willing to give up my family house in Hebron for that. Thank for not pulling the Anti Semitism card. I appreciate that you don’t use it as an excuse to turn a blind eye to someone’s argument no matter how much you disagree with it. The reason I was asking was if they were kicked out because they were Jewish then I truly feel bad for what your family must have been put threw. I hate racism If there were other reasons then it might be a private issue and I respect you not putting family history on the Internet. I truly don’t know if there will ever be peace in that area. I am not a Palestinian I don’t have a single friend from there but obviously I do support them and there right to what I view as there land. I wish they would just drop the borders and just make one nation. Jews, Muslims, Christians, and whoever else could just simply live together. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Actually it does make your argument flawed at least to me. Why go back to the time where it is convenient for the Israelis? Do you not agree that the war and hostility between Israel and Palestine is because of what happened 60 years ago? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

except he just said his family had been there for 200 years & was only kicked out 70 years ago. If he was then that’s the exception most were refugees from Europe. I am looking at the majority when I make a comment just like most do. We can spend the rest of are lifes pointing to the exceptions. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Why was your family kicked out? Was it only because they were Jewish? The reason I ask is in my years living among Muslims and in the Middle East I have never encountered anti-Semitism I know that might be hard to believe but I have heard more negative remarks about Jews in the United States then I have heard in Iran. So thats why i am asking I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Someone already answered your questions in the other thread yesterday by going back even further to show how your argument is flawed. Why go back 60 years? Simple that’s what this fight is about what happened 60 years ago not 3000. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

no no Sunny would never do that. He has no personal feelings at all just the facts that are made up to support his belief. Trust me there is a reason i don't replay to him. Moses could come down and tell him the facts but he wouldn't agree. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I am having trying to understand most of your post. Are you referring to my brothers (by the way I only have one) as terrorists? If so that’s fine I will just add you to the ignorant racist lot that I don’t waist my energy on. If not Please explain what your point is? You are from Israel so I am sure you see the stolen land you live on as your rightful land even if as early as 58 years ago neither you nor your parents lived there. But guess who did? I know reality hurts I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Should you not try turning the cheek initially and resort to deterrence only as a last resort? Richards Personally I believe no. If someone decided to brake the peace then they should be punished in such a way that they do not disturbs anyone else's peace. My response needs to be stronger then his so he understands what he did was wrong and makes him think twice before ever raising hand on someone else who has not provoked him. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

They’re not the ones killing people dropping bombs on residential areas with out care. If you forgot Israel will not allow UN peace troops to enter god forbid they were able to come in and show what the Israelis do. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The questions are what is right and what is wrong. Are you denying that we treated the Native Americans in a cruel way, that we stool what was there land? Do you think we treated them in the way you would like to be treated? If yes then I can see why you’re on Israelis side. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That is exactly my point I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

So what is the other option? Just get bullied by the Israelis for all time. What happens when yet another Israelis bomb kills more people? What happens when the Israeli tanks decide to cross the border once again? Should the Palestinians just say "will we had the land we lived on taken from us oh well lets just bend over and grab our ankles and let the Israelis have a go?" Unfortunately with Israelis policies towards the Palestinians there is no other option. What is sad is your inability to see and except that you are living on stolen land that does not belong to you. I know if you except that you would have to move and give the land and all the difficulties that come with that. But no one said doing the right thing is easy. As for being the Face of Islam as you put it I don’t claim to be. Its just people change their belief when the climate of the world changes. I remember after 9-11 all you would see on TV was Muslims saying that Islam is a religion of peace. It is not it is a religion of justice first. Christianity is a religion of peace Get slapped turn the other cheek and all that. Islam says if someone wrongs you have to make sure they do not do that again. I think thats a great way to think. It keeps the bullies and the ones who want to take advantage in check. Never victimizing but never becoming a victim surly even you can see the beauty of that. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Wow how soon we forget Did you forget about the mysteries explosion that happened on a beach that killed yet more inocent Palestinians. The Israeli investigation said it was a mine left over by Hamas to prevent the Israelis from invading, BUT the independent non-Jewish non-Muslim American said from the blast it looks to have been caused by a shell fired from a canon NOT A MINE as the Israelis had said. (Read the thread). Now who would a smart person believe The Israelis who fuckedup or more likely didn’t give a damn if they killed a few more inocent Palestinians or the Independent analysis? You tell me Some times I wonder if you are really that forgetful or you just have selective memory. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yea i mean all mislims should just sit back and do nothing. I mean thast what any great person would do. Where was your out rage when inocent plastanin were killed on a beach? Islam is not a religion of peace but one about Justice. So yes if you kill our people we will fight back even when the enemy is stronger. Sorry but Muslims have balls and fight for what is right I know you’re used to sell outs glad to disappoint you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

OMG. I am not alone. Someone else is able to see the facts. Thank you god there is hope some people still use their brain. Oh wait you must be a Nazi? You hate all Jews don’t you? I bet Hitler was your grandfather or something how dare you state facts when it makes Israel look bad. (Sorry couldn’t resist you have no clue how much that bull shit I have had to put up with just for stating simple facts) I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You asked me what the solution would be. To wrong a right you must give back what has been taken. Sorry I know you don’t like to hear that but the truth is never easy. There is no war in Europe and hasn’t been for a very long time. Time to go back home and give back the land. I find it disturbing that there are many Jews who are trying to get there land and property back the land that was taken from them during WWII and many are succeeding, but they are not willing to give the same benefit to the Palestinians. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain