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How is that understandable? That doesn't hurt the US. Most of the fighting in Iraq seems to be between the different factions trying to gain control over the country. If the only option they can see is fighting then that is all they will ever do. There are more options. They just don't see them or want them. Sorry that is my wording. I believe the options they are given are give up what you believe in, die, retreat, or fight back. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I believe I have answered you. When I said the killing of ANY inocent civilians is not justifiable. I mentioned that they have no other option to fight back in an effort to help other understand understand why it is being done and that tactic is being used. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Please understand that killing inocent civilians is not justified by anyone. But if we are going to sit there and judge and call people savages or barbaric we should judge our selves first. As for justice it’s not justice it about understanding it. They have no options. That’s the only way they can fight back. How do we justify killing 54000K civilians in Iraq? Does using sophisticated weapons justify the murders? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I will give you one example and you’ll get my point hopefully. There was no link between Iraq and OBL none ZERO. Iraq was not a haven for terrorist before we invaded. Now look. We always think we know the solution to all of the world’s problems but most of the time we should just mind our own business just like in Iraq. We didn’t listen to any of the expert’s cause we knew better. Yea right That mentality is what always gets us and the rest of the world in to trouble. Unfortunately it is not even something pure like our principles, or spreading freedom. I mean if we had any ethics that we claim to have how could we have supported such horrible people as Sadam and OBL how? Because the Enemy of my Enemy is my friend no matter what scumbag he or she is. Yep that has been working great for us hasn’t it? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Hate and revenge is so ingrained in these people that even if you gave them all of the tools to live a peaceful, productive life, they would still find cause to kill someone who doesn't think exactly like them. Obviously, Mohammed didn't read Jesus' message about forgiveness. I believe most Christians missed the point as well. How many bases do we have out side of our country? How many times have we had our warships in someone else’s backyard with are Cruz missiles pointed at their land? How many wars have we started in the last 100 years? Now same questions about Iran, Iraq fuck all of the Middle East……… WOW you should all read your bible again, maybe this time some of the teachings will sink in. . I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

54000+ Inocent Iraqis dead doesn’t sound like freedom or mission accomplished does it? I love how we who have precision guided bombs and stealth air planes to deliver the precision guided bombs that have + or – range of 6 feet from target see no issue with killing 54K people because we say oh ooops sorry. But the people fighting back who have no other means to fight back other then a suicide bomb there the scum. I think you need to reevaluate your way of thinking. Your tolerance for inocent casualties tends to change depending on you is doing the killing. We traveled how many thousands of miles to go to someone else’s back yard to start a fight? It would be great to look in the mirror without any goggles on I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

A lot of movies, and even more Disney cartoons have made me tear up, but Brave heart I was crying like a baby. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well you might want to read it again. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Corey bro. I am sorry for your loss man. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think dyeing for your cause is considered very honorable in that region much like Japan during WWII. As for Suicide bombers in Iraq. I believe some might be done as a retaliation to kick the invading troops out, other (and most I would say) are done simply to cause disruptions and destroy the chance for a democracy. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree with Andy, this is becoming a Palestinian Vs Israeli thread and we have had enough of those. So I will just say I don’t agree that Israel wants peace oh wiat Off course we all want peace what I mean is they are not willing to compromise to a degree that would result in peace. The same can be said about the Palestinians. As for who is has more right you know where I stand and I know where you stand. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I used to love the Simpson’s but lately I find my self not laughing. I find South Park, Family guy, and American dad to be much funnier.

That's a pretty narrow view if all you can come up with is two choices. There are certainly more options out there and plenty of them are non violent. If the Palestinians were to stop their violent ways and concentrate on building up their economy they would be in a much better position to negotiate with the Israelis. Bottom line neither the Israelis or the Palestinians want peace. They both get what they want and deserve. From what I can tell Osama Bin Laden wants to make the world fit his Islamic view. Something must be wrong today cause I agree with you again mainly because you said both. Yes if they both wanted to they could compromise and find a better way then killing each other. OBL wants everyone who is not like him dead, including me. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

There's a serious confusion between 'justice' and 'revenge' in that thought. If the only way to get some justice is threw revenge then you have no option. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

How do you define terrorism? Many believe invading a sovereign country is an act of terrorism. Does using advance weapons automatically exempt one from being a terrorist? Because I bet a lot of Palestinians and Iraqis were terrified of their invaders. If you consider killing civilians an act of terrorism then we are worst then OBL. As for it being counter productive, I agree with you but it is not like they have much of a choice. A. Get fucked in the ass, and have someone from another country tell you that you must accept there way of life, or B. fight to the death. We just need to stop being so arrogant. There are people and countries in this world which do not want to be like us, I know it’s hard top believe for the people who think we are oh so cool, but it is. Get used to it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Hi Andy sorry I did not replay to you sooner. I do not have a computer at home, and if I used my phone to replay well most have enough problems understanding me with the spell check would hate to think what would happen if I didn’t use spell check. I think any rational person who is pushed to the point of killing one self just to kill others must be going threw a lot of suffering and pain. I do think that relates a lot more to the Palestinians, but lets not forget we have invaded a sovereign country and on every poll that I have seen the Iraqis want us out, most didn’t even want us in. I know most here can’t relate to the decision of killing one self to kill your enemy. I can see why I have heard people use words like outrage, or unacceptable when they are referring to a problem with there coffee, or cell phone. We really are very spoiled here (that’s a good thing). If I had to watch my home destroyed my family killed, and at the same time have no one there to go for help. No justice system, no UN, no one who will do anything eventually the frustration would get the best of me and the decision for payback and some justice would over come all other needs. Islam is about justice, and giving you life to achieve justice or some form of justice is considered honorable in many cultures. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/13/magazines/fortune/pluggedin_murphy_terror.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007031311 Just something I have mentioned here a few times, and I bolded the section which I believe to be a very important question. The reason I believe it is important is this. We in the west can not comprehend why someone would ever kill them selves just so they can kill a few of their enemies. We simply think there crazy or it is their religion. This questions maybe has not been asked or paid that much attention to because it forces us to look at the cause. We simply don’t want to do that. It is much easier to pretend the “terrorists” are crazy and irrational people. It is easy to think that way when we have never faced the hardships and injustice that many faces daily. If we start looking at the suicide bomber as a smart, educated, and rational person god forbid we might actually have to look at our selves and our actions. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I said no. If I had kids I would say no. Here is what I don’t get. If a criminal wants a gun they will not go in to a store show there face and purchase a gun, they will find other sources to find a gun that is untraceable. I believe I was listening to Jay Severn(spelling) Last night and he was talking about a study done by a Yale professor(sorry he didn’t mention the name) that showed the relationship between violent crimes, and how restrictive the gun laws of a state were. No surprise the less restrictive gun laws the lower the crime rate. It makes perfect sense to me. You will think twice about robbing someone who is packing then knowing that most are unarmed. As for the kids. Simple if you can not dedicate enough time to your children to be a parent then do the world a favor and do not reproduce. Also not every child who is born and grows up is a good person. It has nothing to do with the gun laws if you are evil/bad you will find a way to hurt someone. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

as long as you don't forget the bacon and tomato you cool. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

never seen Dazed and Confused, but i just added to my netflix list.

Waking life http://www.wakinglifemovie.com/ It’s a cartoon kind of movie. Like Scanner darkly (which I didn’t think was that good). The weirdest thing about this movie was I felt like someone had read my mind and made this movie for me. I would love to know what others thought and got from this movie. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

People marvel when i take of my pants does that count? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You Bastard!!!! You had to bring Iran in to it didn’t you. Hmm who am I good at pissing off…………………oh wait. Iranian girl pilot come on man everyone knows woman can’t be pilots. She should be in the kitchen making me a bacon and egg sandwich This is going to be the best thread EVER.9 I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Me and the GF believe in not living with each other at least in the traditional seance. We both are very independent and like are alone time. We have looked at houses to purchase, and we always look for something that either has a couple of floors or separate houses on the same property. We just believe that living in the same house is not for us and causes many problems for people who enjoy their alone time. I believe it also has to do with are current culture. More and more people live alone longer so you tend to get used to doing what you want when you want. I guess we are too selfish, but i am ok with it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Oh dude trust me I am not saying that the left is better. I think it is sad that they both suck. I am just sick of people defending things that should not be defended. Admit the mistakes and move forward. Gingrich is a duch bag and a lying sack of shit, and lately it seems all the ones who have made claims of being religious or somehow holier-than-thou are the biggest duchbags. Again I am not Dem. Or Rep. I like certain views in both parties and hate other views. Way to many times when this administration shortcomings are brought up someone brings up Clinton. I just can’t see how in any rational mind a lie under oath about a blowjob could ever be viewed as bad as what is going on right now. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain