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sorry for your pain bro but that was funny I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Am I the only on thinking if you go you might be found with the fishes? Or am I just paraniod. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yea Americans tend to be good sports. I am NY fan in New England and still alive and no one has tried to kill me or fight me so I agree.

I have done that a few times. The first 2 I was not an adult so it was not up to me. The last two were my decisions. Left Iran in 99 with 1000 bucks and a suitcase, then 3-4 years ago moved from NY to RI with work. It is not to hard for me because I have moved back and forth many times so I don’t really have deep roots anywhere. I think it might be harder if you have lived in the same place for the last 20 years or so. I think the longest I have been in the same place is 6 years from when I was born. So i don't really ever get home sick. There are some difficulties with moving all the time, but I am thinking about it again. For me it was worth it. Good luck I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That is so funny cause it didn;t happen to me. Oh yea i would be pissed if it did. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You jumping around again according to above you sound surprised that there were spies in the US Embassy. Below it seems you accept it as the norm..........Well which is it? I think are reaction would be much harsher if there were active spies with power and influence who were trying to over throw our government. I think you mean the enemy oif my enemy is my friend. We have seen what that type of mentality has done for us in the past, and that’s kind of the point some never learn that there is a better way. We call people who don’t EVER learn from there mistakes many things but I know smart is not one of them. Here is the Definition for Facts. 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. 2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. 3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. 5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You have zero facts to back up what you state. "Get over it" is the best you can come up with I am not surprised. Weak thats all When did the US declare war on Iran? If that’s what the majority wants it is called Democracy. The world doesn't revolve around what you think they should do. Thats what they wanted at the time. Thats why they took the US Embassy which held US spies and people who wanted to detract the revolution. Why do you think the US embassy was attacked and no one else? Your arguments tend to lack more and more logic day by day, not to mention you simply denied the facts and mentioned as long as we were killing Iranians your fine with it. That is how we have genocide in this world people who think that way. Kill them all as long as it is not us. Truly sad I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

HAHAHA what an intelligent comment. So even killing Iranian civilians was a good idea? At least now we know where you stand. You only have issues when Americans get killed every one else fuckem. How does that song go “ I see your true colors shining through”. Now you know why i have to use the word Hypocrite so much. Hey don’t let the facts get in the way of your thinking ok. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You have to know reality first Arming Iraq and the Path to War A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no exception. Below are some relevant dates. September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8] February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1] December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9] 1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4] November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15] November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14] October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16] November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1] December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15] July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19] January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2] March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10] May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3] May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7] March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17] Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1] February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8] April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7] August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13] August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8] August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8] September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7] September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15] December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1] July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12] August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8] July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11] August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14] June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5] July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18] February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. References: 1.Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002 2.Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91 3.Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002 4.Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002 5.ABC Nightline. June9, 1992 6.Counter Punch, October 10, 2002 7.Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994 8.Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State 9.Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear 10.Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002 11.Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991 12.Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002 13.Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com 14.Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate 15.Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal 16.Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992 17.Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair 18.Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez 19.Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Persian Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986 20.Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Always hate the parents. It is their job to teach their children consideration, and control them. Had the same issue with my neighbors. I put up with it for 6 months then had to have a talk with the dad. His response was "there kids". I explained yes but they are your kids just like it is your dog, when you make a decision to have a pet, a kid, or whatever the responsibility of it all should fall on the people who make the decision. People who did not make the decision should not suffer. So now not so much screaming at 6:30 am, better yes but they are still a pain in the ass. I never get people that allow their life to interfere with others. I don’t think you should feel bad you deserve your peacetime. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That probably varies greatly on the individual's point of view. I doubt the Kurds would consider it true. (not dirctly to you Kelpdiver) I agree. It was not paradise and Saddam was not a good guy. However it just never seizes to amaze me the hypocrisy that some just fail to notice. When those mass graves were being filled, when Saddam was using WMD in the 80s he was our friend. We even sided with Iraq. I just find it funny that people bring up the reasons not realizing that we supported Saddam when he was doing his worst crimes against humanity. Ot i guess it was ok to them back then now it is a crime. we supported OBL and his regime when it was convenient, We have no issue with use of WMD (we supported Saddam when convenient) this list can go on and on. Until people learn to admit the truth all we have is a bunch of hypocrites. As for Life in Iraq. I remember they were in Baghdad the day before the invasion and life was normal. Maybe not what we consider normal but it was better then it is now. A lot of people would have been alive if we simply listened to the UN inspectors. Off course the same group thought the UN was wrong and stupid, I guess history has a way of giving people the finger. The most troubling is after being wrong over and over again they still don’t get it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Wow there seems to be a general problem with reading comprehension and it is usually the same people. I don't know. I think Pedophiles should be killed and even when I read it I get the Botellines is simply trying to explain the reasoning behind the act. That at the age of 14 most of us might have had a crush on a hot teacher or two. Doesn’t make the action of the teacher right but simply describes the true feelings some of us go through. Of course the same people who have an issue with reading comprehension have the same issue accepting facts that don’t fit there narrow view of the world. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

John I think you have been accused of lacking reading comprehension many times on here and not just by me. lets read what you quoted? So other then my wrong use of "are" any thing in that sentence that you view as incorrect? Do you have any clue on what life was like in Iraq before we invaded? I am assuming not: The Iraqis didn’t have (choose whatever number you want in the tens of thousands) of inocent people killed, Their homes destroy, they had no Suicide bombs? There was no significant Alqudah presence according to all sources, they had running water, and electricity at least it was much more prevalent before we invaded. Again John these are facts not dependent on what you believe. That seems to be the issue among many issues with you. You seem to not like the facts that don’t follow your views that’s your problem not mine. I am getting tierd of pulling your card over and over again. Please make sure you have some solid facts when you decide to attack someone…………………….kind of makes me understand why you supported the war in the first place. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Now That was funny. As for the pole. Any one killing inocent people or taking advantage of the weak is scum, What we tend to have an issue with are the people who don’t see it that way when the US is the one to blame. If you want to measure how violent we are just compare the numbers of dead we win by a landslide every time. Then watch who will make excuse after excuse about inocent people dying. As for Suicide bombers you can’t really group them all in the same category. The Palestinians have no way to fight they are out powered, and out manned. They also have lost every thing they have, most have at least a few family members that have been killed by the Israeli forces if not more. They have no hope, and no chance to get anywhere. The combination of the atrocities the Israeli commit on a daily bases, the loss of there homes, the murder of there children, and the lack of change make a suicide bomb an intelligent decision for some, as it is the only way they can fight back. Some like John call this making excuses for them, but it is simply the facts of the Palestinian lives for the past 60 years. In Iraq I have a hard time believing any thing the media reports. I don’t know how we went from Alkida being down to 2-3% in Iraq to now we are killing Alkida every day. I find it hard to believe that with so many Iraqis dead, so many homes destroyed, and so many lives ruined that there are no Iraqis who want us dead or out of there country. I know I know I keep on making this mistake and thinking about stuff, and actually putting my self in there shoes to think wow” How would I feel if I were them”. I also know that people are people every where we are only as good as our options. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

US Soldiers who rape and murder have zero support from any quarter. Wow I guess we remember things differently. Every time a Us solder is accused of murder,rape or whatever horrible things, we have the same clan of people who try to play it off. Who all of a sudden become nit pickers who want to see video of the act happening before they belive it. Oh did I mention even when they see video of the act they assume the guy crawling on the floor is caring a weapon in his ass and they always ALWAYS make excuses for the accused solders. These are usually the same people who claim to know that the majority of Muslims want us dead because we are free. These are the same people who still think we had a reason to go to Iraq and they can not admit it was wrong in every aspect. So there are a bunch on here who are always ready to support the troops no matter what the evidence. What about just getting 5 years for murder? Is that fair? I know I am talking about a lot of cases but the people who follow this stuff know what I am talking about. Bottom line: We are in a country that we invaded wrongfully, and every inocent life that has been killed is in the chain reaction of are wrongful invasion. Any one who denies that is simply not living in the real world. What is always funny is this. The people who claim they love this country are the ones who are fucking it up, and the ones they call traitors are the ones who are trying to save it. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan but now we finished nothing. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I had a blast last night. Being from New York and leaving in New England all I heard on the Radios for the past two weeks is how sure they are the pats were going to win. Saw the game with a few of my New England friends and was talking shit before the game even started. So when they won it was oh so sweet. Eli man he fought for it and it was just a great game to watch I even loved the commercials. That squirrel was way too funny. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Just watched ana wesome finish on PGA. And now lets go NY baby I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

When the fat dudes were considered Hot. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes i did see that movie but all i can remember is the hot women in that movie. I don't remember the plot at all. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Hit on her at the funeral if she seems like she is open to it. That is her chioce I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Have you been getting blowjobs from stroke patients again? Most people know how to swallow properly. Thats what i was thinking. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Dr. Ron Paul I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Oh Acme has a point What if I smoked but did not inhale. I am very disappointed in all of you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

First let apologize as I am jumping in to this discussion and I have not read every post. I do believe the Middle Class pay the biggest share of the total taxes is this not correct? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

This is another one of those things that makes me have a Lewis Black moment. They should call it a gift as the people who pay NOTHING in to the tax system will get the full benefit. I guess I don’t get it. I figured a tax credit means you get a credit on taxes you have paid. They should call it a gift or maybe better yet a financial rape because I don’t remember anyone asking me if I wanted to give my money to people who pay no taxes. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain