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Wrong! The youtube was only so some who can't read would have something to refer too The written stuff is from the transcript. http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/thread/2584303.aspx But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf Define Redistribution of Wealth and how the SCOTUS would go about it. What is a negative liberty? What shoud the federal government do on your behalf? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Maybe I'm missing the point....you're saying that 2 wrongs make a right? Or that it's OK as long as it's a Dem? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Easy there big fella. It's rough out there but it is by no means the worst economic crisis in US history. You're really buying into the media portrayal aren't you. There's been worse than this. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck I've heard enough from his past now to know who he is. If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay. There should be more? But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. Read reparations And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. Maybe he needs to re-visit. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. These are negative liberties? And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that. Welcome Barack Obamarx. God Bless Amerika. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I say fair target. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

+1 Felt like I was about to leave my hand with the plane. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Yes...the old elitist left strategy of attacking the messenger, not the message. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Enjoying watching Hugo's world influence drop along with the price of a barrel. Let's just take a little closer look at our pal Hugo, shall we? In August 1999, the Constitutional Assembly's "Judicial Emergency Committee" declared a "legislative emergency" whereby a seven-member committee conducted the National Assembly's functions; meanwhile, the National Assembly was prohibited from holding meetings December 3, 2000, local elections and a referendum were held. The referendum, backed by Chávez, proposed a law that would force Venezuela's labor unions to hold state-monitored elections...undue government interference in internal union matters; these organisations threatened to apply sanctions on Venezuela After the May and July 2000 elections, Chávez backed the passage of the "Enabling Act" by the National Assembly. This act allowed Chávez to rule by decree for one year In August 2003, around 3.2 million signatures were presented, but these were rejected by the National Electoral Council (CNE) on the grounds that many had been collected before the mid-point of Chávez's presidential term. Reports then began to emerge among opposition and international news outlets that Chávez had begun to act punitively against those who had signed the petition Many new policy initiatives were advanced by Chávez after 2004. In late March 2005, the government passed a series of media regulations that criminalized broadcasted libel and slander directed against public officials; prison sentences of up to 40 months for serious instances of character defamation launched against Chávez and other officials were enacted. The BBC says that Chávez "has made no secret of the fact that he is in favour of amending the constitution so that he can run again for president in 2012 You can go on and on with 'ole Hugo. This is a guy we definately want to be friends with Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

You left out the experience issue. The man has a whopping 4 years as a Senator, 2 of which have been spent campaining for POTUS. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Agreed. I love how they can go from tearing it up on One of These Days to having fun with San Tropez. I was intro'd to Floyd by my sister who is 5 years older than me. All it took was a fatty and some headphones Those were the days... Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I take it you think we should "make friends" with Hugo? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I guess he's trying to save his book sales. In the 500-page book, “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World,” Mr. Greenspan describes the Bush administration as so captive to its own political operation that it paid little attention to fiscal discipline, and he described President Bush’s first two Treasury secretaries, Paul H. O’Neill and John Snow, as essentially powerless. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I heard the last time he had sex it was pretty scary... He was all alone! Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Obviously a witch hunt designed in part to keep the attention away from themselves. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

http://www.house.gov/jec/studies/2007/Taxes%20and%20Deficits%20-%20Vedder.pdf The historical evidence suggests that the future tax increases embodied in the recently passed Congressional budget resolution would likely be used to finance additional federal spending, not deficit reduction. A statistical analysis of the relevant data in the 1946-2006 period finds that each $1.00 of additional taxes was associated with $1.07 in additional federal spending. This finding indicates that tax increases have been an ineffective and self-defeating approach to reducing budget deficits. We need someone in Washington to say enough is enough. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

...the market tanked right before an election. Things that make you go Hmmm. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Hmmm... the Barry, Harry, and Nancy Show. If that were on TV it wouldn't make it past the pilot. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I wish time would pass like that for me Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Please tell us what happened to the federal deficit during Reagan's tax cutting term, and Bush II's tax cutting term Well, since only Congress actually spends money let's look at who controlled the aisles. During Reagan's admin Dem's controlled the House and Senate 6 out of 8 years. Dems controlled both houses the entire time H.W. was in office. It's only under W's rein that he had control for 6 of the 8 years. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I love those "I remember reading somewhere" lines, leading to a strawman. Please tell us what happened to the federal deficit during Reagan's tax cutting term, and Bush II's tax cutting term. Hint. We're talking revenues here Professor. In the last 30 years we've managed to increase revenues by 700%. All we need to do is go back to the spending constraints of then 70's and we'll be OK in no time. Year Total Revenue-total in Billions 1978 701.6 1979 793.1 1980 885.6 1981 1015.7 1982 1078.2 1983 1103.9 1984 1221.5 1985 1348.0 1986 1439.4 1987 1583.8 1988 1676.2 1989 1822.3 1990 1927.4 1991 1981.9 1992 2025.3 1993 2150.3 1994 2301.8 1995 2464.6 1996 2615.4 1997 2804.0 1998 3003.8 1999 3168.5 2000 3457.8 2001 3756.3 2002 3389.8 2003 3671.4 2004 3594.7 2005 4017.0 2006 4435.8 2007 4776.8 2008 4926.2 Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Taxing the homeless isn't the answer either. That's strange...I never worked for a homeless person before. Well, at least I didn't report to one. My guess is that's gonna change. Do you believe the USA can pay its way with revenues at their current levels? I don't think anyone's debating that aspect. Of course we can't. We either bring in more revenues or cut spending. I remember reading somewhere that when you raise taxes on the upper class the net result is less revenue. So I guess we need to follow Barney's idea. Let's increase spending and raise taxes. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Taxing the homeless isn't the answer either. That's strange...I never worked for a homeless person before. Well, at least I didn't report to one. My guess is that's gonna change. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

This immediately came to mind.... John McCain to store clerk: "Do you see this young lady over here? Do you have anything in this shop as beautiful as she is? Clerk: " Oh yes....Oh no, no no. I'm saying we have many things as beautiful as she would want them to be. That's the point I was trying to make. And I think we can all agree with that." McCain: "We're gonna need a few more people helping us out. I'll tell you why. We are gonna be spending an obscene amount of money in here. So we're gonna need a lot more help sucking up to us." Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

No argument from me on cutting back the spending. But that's not gonna happen anytime in the near future. The first part of Barney's statement about raising taxes on the rich has him saying we need an economic stimulus package now. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne