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There's a big difference between preaching about education and actually doing it. Call me crazy but I still think that we should give people the right to make educated decisions that others might not as long as they do not directly impact someone else (canopy collision). If they survive more power to them, if they don't they can be a warning to others. Agreed. That's why banning/restricting swooping/HP canopies is not the solution. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

If the FAA starts asking questions (as it appears they already are), it may well be past the point of continuing more of the same; failed self-governance. You "see it" as banning HP canopies and HP turns. I don't see it as anything of the kind. From my hilltop, it is potentially so much bigger than this... This is exactly what I'm referring to. While granted there have been quite a few incidents already this spring, show me the data that shows we've failed as the data I've seen suggests that fatalities have been in steady decline per jumper/jumps made. We can always approve but calling it a failure? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

And what I see is paranoia. If you are not part of the problem you have nothing to fear. Sparky Now you sound like Homeland Security when they trample peoples rights... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Which despite of these incidents has been on a decline on a per jumps/jumper basis for years as previously pointed out in another thread. I am beginning to think you really don’t get it. You can’t be that dense and still make enough money to jump so it has to be you just refuse to see the situation for what it is. Sparky I do see the situation for what it is. I see people using this as an excuse to further their efforts to ban HP turns and canopies. Rather than unite and deal with the root causes: attitudes, lack of canopy training in the student program, lack of canopy training post student and refreshers, we're getting more divided. Rather than look into all our internal issues (aircraft maint, jump pilots, cloud clearances, AFF and tandem, etc.) and see if there are trends up or just recent issues were anonomalies you just want to make changes. I'm all for change, but it needs to be informed change with real data, not some group using fear to push their own agenda. If the FAA starts asking questions and we can provide real data on trend analysis and what we're doing to reveres or mitigate more we come off as much more professional than just banning/creating new rules. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Which despite of these incidents has been on a decline on a per jumps/jumper basis for years as previously pointed out in another thread. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

What day do you fly into Pensacola? I'm flying in Thurs.

The biggest issue with this sort of law is it just encourages companies to just go overseas even more. Had they threatened and done that, there's nothing that the unions or our government could do. Unions had their uses but then just got too greedy and prior to being a global economy, they could get away with it. Those days are long past... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Except for the fact we're not sure what they want us to address. While some might assume it's canopy collisions and canopy crashes, it could also easily be cloud clearances... I think the latter is more likely as I think the FAA cares more about us possibly impacting other aircraft in the air than us injuring and killing ourselves/other jumpers on or near the ground. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

People, don't kid yourselves. That same thing can easily apply to any modern ram air canopy, regardless of size.

Unless you know the person or are taking physical posession, use an escrow to protect both of you. If you know people at the DZ where they jump, they can be used as well.

Here's the funny thing about corporations not paying taxes. The reason they aren't paying the gov't is because they are generally contributing much more to charities, research programs, etc. So essentially it isn't they aren't contributing, they're just bypassing the middle man.

Maybe the issue is our overuse of the word safe, as in trying to convince people it's safe to do. I think we're better off from a regulatory standpoint if people think we all just have death wishes. I always cringe when I hear someone use that word to describe this sport or why they can do something beyond what's generally done for their skill level. Or say it's safer than driving. It's utter bullshit. What we do is risky,but we all take varying steps to mitigate to either our comfort level or what we feel is appropriate for a student/novice jumper. Let's stop bullshitting others and ourselves, because apparently some are starting to believe it. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Ooohh!!! Can we make it zero tolerance? That will drastically cut down on having to think... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

You forgot the goat noise, or was that not part of the original chant? Does anyone know the story of how that started? If so, this would be a perfect place to share it.

The problem with this is would this be a federal tax or a state tax? There are federal and state roads. Some people use more of one than the other, and some may use very little roads. A better method would be to just charge tolls to maintain the roads and repeal the gas taxes and the gov't subsidies on all fuel sources. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Hopefully you'll be fully healed and jumping by next year so you can play. Or you can come this year tan, swim, eat mudbugs, and drink bushwhackers all day.

You can't be reasonable with unreasonable people/groups. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Combine that with the CIA training skills they are likely passing on... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Here's a difficult situation as from a LEO view a gun could be disguised as a camera/cameraphone (or hidden by it) as well as a camera/cameraphone could be used as a weapon. From a citizen view, they view the camera as a way to ensure the LEO does not overstep their bounds. Most police cars have cameras in them for chases and traffic stops, perhaps LEO's should wear one as well. Law enforcement banning people filming them makes them look as they do have something to hide so they definitelyneed to find another way. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

(Gets popcorn made, wondering if others responses will get it moved to SC) Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Not to worry. The government tells us that adding a gun to a situation only makes things worse. And yet, introducing a gun into the scenario changes nothing for the better either. At that point in time he had no idea how many people were in the other car and how much firepower they had. They held all the cards at that point. What's he going to do? Step out of the car with the gun and not even get a chance to fire it? That's stupid. That's whay you've got to comes out with your gun sideways and at eye level. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

I'd be willing to bet he got in more trouble for quasi proposing/encouraging unprotected sex as mentally healthier but the one liner was easier to say was their issue... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Has anyone looked at the Border Patrol arrests? Are they declining? While it can't be proven yet what the sherrif said is true or not, by bringing it up he's gotten additional people talking about and possibly looking into it. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

(Waves hi) Harassing via dz.com and phone/text? They must not have your FB info. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Are you the TM in these pictures he posted? If so, are the passengers in those pictures students or a licensed skydivers? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128564; http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128565; Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.