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Question: Howcomesit that parachuting isn't listed on the page for airport 57C ? There has been skydiving at this airport for over 40 years. Infinitely more skydiving than the ultralights that are listed. How does one get this added? One would think this would be important information to pilots about the airport. Thanks. YouThe airport manager needs to contact the FAA to get anything changed on that page. I was looking into that myself. Airnav pulls that information from an FAA database. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

If you're flying in/out from/to the south feel free to stop at 57c and see if we are jumping. We're in south east Wisconsin. Unicom 123.0 Manifest 123.0/123.5 Only going to have a 182 Tue-Fri cause our PAC is going to be up at EAA for uh, showing off. Honestly though, airventure makes for a rough 2 weekends. So many planes flying up that way and just makes for a lot of potential traffic right through our DZ. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

So AFF at your dz costs around $4500CDN ??? Wow that's fucking crazy. At my dz in wisconsin our whole student program costs around $2500USD which is like $2800CDN. No way man. You're talking about saving thousands of dollars doing a course somewhere else. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Nice! Seen worse - (yikes!) Good thing you had gloves on, looked like you caught some lines to the hand at one point. Surviving is cool! ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

hah, the song is pretty catchy even! 500k views on the youtube video - you bet united is going to take notice at that. hah the internet has spawned some amusing ways to get back at a company that pisses you off. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

I know... I know... Everyone should just be able to do whatever the fuck they want. That's really the best way to handle things.... For what it's worth, I have found that the competition orientated swoopers are really good at following whatever rules exist for a landing area. The people that I see the most problems with are the ones between 50-500 jumps who think they have everything figured out yet chase the windsock all day long in 1-2mph winds. These are the people that I am worried about. FWIW, i refuse to accept that first man down is a sane way of dealing with landing direction in the landing area. Mostly because it takes someone actually landing to set the direction, then everyone else has to scramble to figure out a pattern. It also gets really confusing if someone misses the direction the first person landed and lands a different way, then up above some people think it's one way and other think it's another. I am a huge supporter of either a tetrahedron that wont change until the wind becomes a little more significant or a set landing direction system controlled by dz staff. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Hi everyone. My name is Derrick and I am part of the team who runs things over at Sky Knights. Some of you might remember me from last year, the guy wandering around with the neck brace! I just want to let you know that we have put pre-registration up now on our website. You can get to the registration page by clicking here: http://skyknights.skydivemilwaukee.com/event-registration.html. Pre-Registering will help us get things set for you and smooth out the check-in process. it will also help us to make sure that we are going to have enough food and beer on-hand! Payments for registration are processed through paypal and you do not have to have an account to register. We are accepting registration for the boogie and also pre-orders for the short and long sleeve shirts. The design isn't up yet, but I'm sure it will be as cool as last year's shirt! (Edited to add: that the ONLY way to get a shirt from this event is to pre-order it, we wont be printing extras) There are a couple types of registration available, Full Event and Food Only. Full event tickets are for those who are planning on jumping and food only are for non-jumping spouses, non-crw participants or anyone else that might be coming along with you. If you pay for full registration or for a food registration please do not purchase any meal tickets as these are included already. Everyone had a great time last year at this event and we are hoping for more of the same this year. We will have TWO, less than a year old, PAC750s flying jumpers all day on Saturday to keep the time waiting for a load to a minimum and help out in breaking the state CRW record. There is also Rumor of a POPS RW Formation Record attempt the same weekend (cause of the second plane) if that interests you. Any other information you might want to know about our dropzone can be found on our websites: http://skyknights.skydivemilwaukee.com http://www.skydivemilwaukee.com C-ya soon and blue skies! ~Derrick Sky Knights ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

this isn't about rules. It's about an utter lack of common sense. People doing stupid shit in the landing area cause they don't know any better and don't realize it's one of the leading causes of people getting killed in this sport! Suck it up and accept that there are some pretty dangerous people flying around in the air with you, and for those people we need to have some good guidlines. At least then if they can't follow it you have a good reason to leave them sitting on the ground. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

LOTS of experience!

You have semi-valid points, however, as time continues on we are proving over and over again that this method, the way it has been for quite some time now, isn't working. People keep running into one another and getting killed. I see a lot of crazy shit, especially at boogies. The best experience I had was recently at a DZ that does employ an arrow in the main landing area. "Land that way, or land somewhere else or stop jumping" seemed to be the motto. On light wind days people consistently do fucked up shit. So no, I don't think people are capable of determining for themselves which way to land. I might be able to, some others might too, it's everyone else that I'm worried about and to be honest, I think it's more people than not who are doing fucked up shit landing on light wind days. Taking responsibility for oneself is one thing, mass chaos and everyone else deciding they are going to do whatever they want is a totally different thing. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

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Cool, thanks for the link ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Yeah, looks photo chopped to me! ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3484416;search_string=pay;#3484416 Also, searching this sub-board will yield 22 pages of results for the word "pay" This topic has been pretty beat to death. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

if you have to come on here asking this question, you're not qualified. Let me speak from experience, running a dz isn't all that it's cracked up to be! ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Don't run off thinking my post is advice for you to go push it more. I had a lot of questions in my post that I haven't seen answered. I also didn't give you any type of technique or information on how to do things. That's the kind of stuff you ought to be expected to get from a local mentor, though in thinking about it, whoever said to you that going up and doing downwinds was a good idea, you might want to stop listening to and find someone else. and for what it's worth, I didn't even start doing double fronts till i had 150 jumps. I jumped a 170@1.3 through like, 500 jumps and a 150@1.5ish through 1000 jumps. To give you some idea of what taking your time to learn things means. Edit to add: furthermore, coming on here and saying "I was looking for advice and now I have it so fuck you" basically pisses me off. It's not the kind of reply that I would expect from someone. If a jumper at my DZ was giving that kind of attitude, they wouldn't be swooping, at least not with any help from me. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Yeah, I pretty much agree with what you're saying here. For anyone reading my post, I was hoping to get most of this across w/o being too harsh so he might actually listen. I'm not a huge fan of people getting hurt! ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Realistic advice: Stilletos are not great for learning to swoop modern canopies. They have a really short recovery arc. This means you have to hook it lower and be much more precise on your turn altitude. A saber2, safire2 or pilot has a better recovery arc for learning swooping. That fact coupled with 200 jumps is what scares people. Furthermore, I don't think doing down winders is going to help you much and just has a lot of potential for bad things to happen. You might be going faster in your actual swoop, but you have no ability to slow down at the end of your swoop. This means that you are forced into a higher speed when you are "done" with the swoop and want to shut it down for landing. This to me just sounds like a bad concept. I don't really know how at 200 jumps you could possibly have 90's completely dialed in. Have you tried all the different riser techniques that are available to you? Are you landing on rears yet? You can hit the gates every time? (by hit the gates I mean, be going through them, and on level, and doing so w/o wasting a bunch of room in front of them, AND not wasting a lot of your "swoop" power lining up to the gates? (one more edit to add that, I didn't see gates in the video, don't let that stop you, talk to your dzo and go buy some pool noodles) I just can't see that being the case, but maybe it is. If that's true - consider adding a few more degrees of rotation to your turn. If you are consistently doing hop'n'pops you should for the most part have the sky to yourself? If you do you can start working on 135 degree turns in an effort to work up to 180s and 270s. Edit: Regarding your question about the flare, I think what happened is your canopy ran out of airspeed to fly anymore. You still had groundspeed because of the downwind component. This goes to what I was saying regarding why I think doing downwinds is a bad idea. I also think your front riser technique could use work. I didn't see you land on rears with this landing, and if you aren't doing that on upwind landings, that really should be the next thing you learn. p.s. swooping is dangerous, don't ever kid yourself that it's not. This is my warning that it's highly possible you're going to get hurt, not like you didn't already know this. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Let's not get started on the argument of vigils. As for not being able to jump due to money, well - there are lots of things you can do at most DZs to make jumping money. You didn't mention why you didn't have the time. As for no canopy, do you mean you don't have one for your rig, or is that just a comment to the cypress being out for service? That's a "deal with it" kind of thing, it shouldn't take that long for it to come back. Or just jump w/o one. That's what I have done in the past. Finding a job is certainly step 1 for you, but don't be afraid to accept that you might have to have some kind of second job (hopefully right at the dropzone) to pay for jumping. That's what pretty much most of us have to do. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

CX100 on the side and xsi on the top. W/O the still camera on there I can barely even tell I'm wearing a camera. It's one of the reasons I like the cx100 so much. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

Just looking at it, to me, it seems like your probably going to be seeing your still lens and or helmet in your video, based on where the cameras are sitting. Make sure you check that (including wearing the helmet with goggles) before you mount anything. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

How many people were outside the plane? From practice I have found that a practical number of people outside doesn't really coincide with the number of people who actually fit out there. Been there, done that, didn't like it and learned from it. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

I mentioned that I think video helps a lot but not why. The reason, to me at least, is the same as why we use it for other types of jumps. I think just often the student doesn't listen to me when I am telling them something. In their mind it couldn't possibly be what I am saying, cause how could they not realize they are doing it wrong. They might say "yeah ok that's what I'm doing" but it doesn't really sink in until they see it. I have also found times where I just plain missed a contributing factor that was leading to why they were doing the thing that I thought was the problem. None the less, it makes me quite happy when someone really does get it!

The raynox resolve more lines of resolution, but they are also like 3-5x the size/weight. (like you said) Too heavy for me, my neck is messed up. ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

By the time someone is off radios, shouldn't they already know how to flare? But back to the question. My answer is none of the above. Both are building bad habits that will need to be broken later. Teaching people to go 1/4 brakes at 40 feet is teaching them to give up 25% of their flare power and giving them a false impression of how fast their canopy really flies. Teaching them to flare in one single step works fine on lightly loaded canopies but does nothing to prepare them for landing the parachutes they will actually buy and fly in another 5-10 jumps, and could very well be a cause of injury. Why not teach in the FJC and reinforce throughout the student program a flare technique that will still work well for the student when they have 500 jumps? Then maybe they won't have to take a basic canopy control course later to learn how to flare correctly... Yeah I agree. Our students transition from older F111 canopies to newer ZP canopies at a point once they are into coaching jumps. We have them doing a single pull down flare on the F111 canopies cause thats really the only way to flare them. What I like to teach when transitioning them is that part of the canopy being different is that the flare will respond differently. We have them do quite a few practice flares on that jump. The point is though, that I teach that flaring is a dynamic process. At the same flare altitude they are used to already from the F111 canopies I teach them to flare "until they are not going down anymore" then start flaring again when they start going down again. That's the theoretical. What the end up doing in practice (and practicing on the ground) is a 2 part flare that starts at normal flare altitude with them pulling the toggles to a bit past shoulder level, pausing and then finishing the flare to their crotch. Mind you, this is with someone who has never flown a ZP canopy and is used to a single flare stroke. If I was working with someone who has some idea of what they are doing, but isn't landing well, the method becomes a bit different. I just stick with the dynamics of a flare, cause it's a bit different for everyone and most people have different problems that need to be addressed. I guess it would have to do with the fact that people see things differently and respond to things differently. Some have a hard time not focusing on the ground beneath them and some can't seem to finish a flare even if they think they are. Video helps a lot there. That's my thoughts! ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka