packerboy

He should be getting an award for being the skydiver with the most well timed bailout in the history of skydiving! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Not getting the canopy was good advice in the beginning. Can't argue that. However, it is advice that you and everyone else knew damn well that not just people with hotshot attitudes on the internet, but the majority of young jumpers today with the money to buy gear is not going to follow. You knew when he asked the question that he was going to do it. So you tell him not to do it.. good advice, needed advice. So now he's gone and done it. Why bother even coming on the thread to say, you're stupid and you're gonna get killed? Who does that help? Noone. It helps your own ego, that's all. He hasn't followed your advice, now you have 3 options: 1.) Tell him that he is stupid and he is going to die. 2.) Tell him that he is stupid, but now that he has gone ahead and got the canopy, here is how he should go about trying to not kill himself or anyone else around him. 3.) Move on back to the bonfire where stupid questions need stupid sarcastic ass answering, and keep checking back to the incidents forum waiting for your chance to pop your head beck into this thread and say I told you so. Which one is more constructive and follows the intent of this forum? Who is being the troll? All that being said.. the whole thing about you being OK when all was said and done WAS pretty funny. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I don't do it on every load, but on the ones that everyone is being quiet and in their own thoughts upon takeoff and climb, I like to look out the door or window at the ground and try to visualize, reserve, reserve, reserve, reserve, main. And then when I decide simply by looking at the ground what I think I would be comfortable with going to main, I take a look at my altimeter. Usually around 12-1500ft when I visually decide I would go to main instead. That being said, I've been in the plane at times and have noticed either A: I forgot my altimeter, or B: Someone pretty junior or a TI has forgotten theirs and I lend them mine. Now.. you are in an emergency situation and in the ensuing clusterphuk you make the motion out the door and realize you don't really have any friggen clue how high you are, you take a quick look at the ground and you are set. I have to say honestly that I would have to force my left hand to do it, for some reason I think I would naturally want my right hand to go back just based on the muscle memory of never having used my left hand on exit. Come to think of it, I kind of want to go do a jump right now and bring my left hand to my chest just to see how awkward it would feel. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lol... sorry to throw your name around there Jarett, but as far as I can remember yours was the most heated thread on this issue. Before anyone goes digging, yeah yeah I'm sure I called him an idiot in that thread and now I'm blasting you for calling this guy an idiot. Hypocritical I know. Jarrett was being much cockier and downsizing much quicker though, weren't you Jarrett? I'm glad though that Jarett is still around here posting though and that noone made money of his bounce bingo pool. Question Jarett... be honest. Since that thread, has there been any humbling moments that made you think back on your decisions and make you wonder in the slightest if it was the smartest choice? I'm just wondering because maybe this guy can and will deal and actually live through his purchase of this Sabre2, but you should let him know of your experiences and perhaps the unperceived situations that you have encountered by being in the exact same boat as him, what 2-3 years ago? Would you have any concerns whatsoever of someone following the same canopy progression as you have? btw: Billvon, good advice on fucking around with the canopy and not playing it too tightass. You forgot to be nice and mention that he should do it when the ground is soft. And to be carefull that you are in your own airspace and not anyone elses while doing it! Oh.. and go get yourself some good laundry detergent and a nice horsehair brush you can use to clean your rig. Who's was the similar thread who later became a fatality? I'm curious to see what kind of advice he/she was given by the sky/forum gods and how they reacted to it. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Soft, quiet narrative voice... shhhhh... It took us three long weeks in the bush, with no sightings untill finally it emerged from it's hiding to search for a mate.. this is exciting... the first time the Short Neck Orange Bellied African Brick Bird has ever been caught on film........ ------------------------------------------------------------ Funniest one so far! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Currency is the issue here IMO... 160 jumps in one summer would be one thing. This guy needs to jump more if he's going to push it. He's going to jump it, and this canopy choice is not nearly as bad as ones that I've seen people make. Might as well help him through it. The days of trying to talk him out of doing it are long gone. Anyone who just sais "You're going to die, I'll be fine.." and sits back, crosses their arms and watches it happen, should know that even if they couldn't stop the guy from jumping this canopy they still could have done something to increase the odds of survival. Shit or get off the f'ing pot! The "You're an idiot, you are going to die!" argument is getting real old. It obviously doesn't mean much coming from a bunch of noface people on the internet anyway. Might as well throw something with substance at the guy, hopefully he will take it back to the DZ.. discuss it with someone who can ellaborate a little and make something of it. I bet alot of these old timers that know what they are talking about (not arguing that they don't know) have jumped drunk, stoned, downsized quickly, cut holes on their Paracommander, got out too low, pulled too low, fought malfunctions longer than they should have, been on jumps that were above their skill level, turned too low, pencil packed their reserves, hurried to the plane while stuffing their PC in, FINISHED PACKING in the plane, followed a group too closely, lost altitude awareness, cut someone off or generally made a poor decision at some point in THEIR jumping career and lived through it. Did everyone write them off as just a DGIT? Maybe, maybe not.. but they didn't bounce and now have the knowledge and skills and hindsight to be able to help someone out in a practical sense. WELL F'ING USE IT! I'm sure at some point they were told to not do one of the above things, but went ahead and did it anway. I'm sure the ones who had people help them through the process rather than writing them off as dead came through alot more smoothly than those who didn't. I'm not a big fan of "Skygods", and I think those of you who just keep repeating the assurance that this guy is going to maim himself, just come across as "I'm stuck up, I'm smart, I have more jumps than you, I correct grammar on DZ.com, arrogant pricks". Why do you need to be like that? It is too bad, because I'm sure 99% of you are very nice people in person who I would have a lot of fun with, learn alot from, and drink and generally be merry with, I KNOW IT. I'm willing to bet that if this guy were someone at your dropzone you would do your damndest to help him out, you wouldn't just write him off as dead. But why do people just HAVE to be dinks when they are on the internet? I suppose I do understand the pshycology behind it, and it is something I know I've been guilty of before, but it's frustrating to see when it involves someones life safety. Maybe I just come from a small little place where people stick together and not from some big commercial place where everyone has become so desensitized from the carnage all around them they just don't care to deal with attitudes anymore. Attitudes alot of them probably had themselves when they were new. It's not like the guy is going to attempt to jump 17 flaming school buses backwards on a tricycle made of tofu.. jeezus christ, there is a pretty good chance he's going to make it! Stop being so fucking old. My advice as insignificant as it is: Get off the fucking internet, stop trolling, go do some jumps, do high H&P's, get a canopy pilot course, talk to your local hotshot canopy pilots, enjoy your parachute, learn your parachute, and try your damndest to not kill yourself or anyone else in the process. GL. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

That Philly Cream Cheese commercial bitch'll never see this one coming! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Btw, giving orange juice to someone on a bad LSD trip is just a myth, they just puke on you and then you look like me. Then you have to keep hitting them with a stick untill you figure out that you have no idea why you are hitting them with a stick. Why am I hitting you with a stick? What is this stick? This isn't a stick? Am I seeing this right? Ummmm dude, maybe we should go inside the suns coming up and people will be leaving for work soon. If they see us, they'll know for sure what we're up to. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Honestly.. it's a little bit of a quick progression, but he's no packing_jarrett, is that guy still alive? If he's a reckless idiot with this thing, hopefully some REAL person at his DZ will do something about it. If not, well.. he's just another one of the envelope pushers. (And not even really as bad ass as most) I would like to see a list of the canopy progression of some of the pro swoopers. I'd bet that sure there are some that are right off Billvon's list, but I'd also bet that a fairly large percentage of them were walking right in this guys shoes. I think (and I use that term because I have fairly low numbers and aren't nearly as experienced and godly as anyone else here) that what people should be saying to this guy is "BE CAREFULL, BE VERY F'ING CAREFULL, or it's going to really hurt." Not "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!" I'll take the bet from even the most experienced jumpers on here. I don't think he's going to bounce. I think he's going to scare the crap out of himself at some point... He may even get hurt real bad. But I don't think he'll die. You are all being a little mellowdramatic here. Then again maybe he'll die. I'll take the bet that he won't though. But hey, I'm a bit of a gambler and I think I've got a pretty decent handle on the odds. Disclaimer: I wouldn't push all in with that bet ;) Kudos to the guy from his DZ that stepped up and said.. "Hey, I know you.. let's talk." He didn't call him a DGIT or an IDGIT. That's cool. He's already jumping the damn thing... get off the don't buy it or it will kill you bandwagon, it's full. Help the guy out. Btw OP, Scott Miller runs a really good course you should try and take. People in the high thousands of jump numbers at our dz came away from that course feeling that they had learned alot about how canopies actually work and feel they had better tools of survival. www.freedomofflight.tv/ Check this website out and gl2u. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

1-800-skyride... press 3 if you would like to purchase one of our finely hand crafted limited edition USPA logo wind drift indicators... -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I was thinking the same thing.. construction sites? What the hell? Not the peephole I was looking through. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Look at meeee! I'm crazy broken tooth guy... aren't I crrrrraaaazy?? GIMME SOME CANDY! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Haha very funny... who replaced my toothbrush with a jackhammer disguised as a toothbrush? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

lol... that's an interesting interpretation. You can leave any time you like, just climb Jacob's Ladder over here... -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I agree with you, but look at OUR jump numbers, we don't know anything either. I think a fun way to celebrate your 97th jump would be to jump a 97, but I'm a retard. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Don't have the picture here right now, but Skydive Gananoque (Just north east of Kingston, ON Canada) you can clearly see about ten canopies in the air. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Anyone figure out how to swoop? Do you need to get past the level where you have to land pretty much in cave before you are able to swoop? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Like butter, but I was shitting my pants, I was nervous sitting by the door during my course when people were getting out low. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Doing 200mph every day on your motorcycle... now that's f'ing nuts. Sabre 135 is way safer than that.. not even kidding. Seriously. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Just downwind the 170, it's cheaper. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I thought maybe she woke up on Valentines day with a venerial disease! This is a much nicer story.

Rock Band is WAY more intense than the skydiving game!

-------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Maybe they are in there reading the "What can we do about Skyride?" thread. I'd grab a sammich. Good at paying for damages... that's funny stuff! Slip a note under the door to tell them they are on a 20 min call. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Who is oddly enough the first one to do a backflip on a dirtbike in competition. Now everyone is doing them. Maybe 5 years from now in order to win the nationals you will have to do your entire freefly set without a rig on to be competitive! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson